<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon played PG alot in his rookie season and won 6th man of the year. I dont think it's out of the question if he could ever convert to a true PG while I agree Duhon is a great passer(he really isnt above average at anything else.) If you watched Gordon this year, he showed handling skills that rival any PG right now(Which originally his only flaw at playing PG was poor handling.)</div>Gordon is a scorer first and foremost, and that's not what you want in a point guard playing with Kobe. Duhon isn't an all-star, but he's a very solid point who can make plays on a playoff calibur team. He'll get the job done, especially with Kobe taking attention away from him. A Gordon-Kobe combination hurts both guys because they need the ball a lot. Duhon won't care if he doesn't get shots.In short, the Bulls are much better off trading Gordon than Deng. If the Lakers can get the deal I described earlier than they'd be better off trading Kobe, because right now they're going nowhere.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Geez did this thread balloon since last time I posted in it. Someone fill me in!</div>Hey Rok, what do you think of this?Chicago Bulls get:Kobe Bryant - $19,490,625Los Angeles Lakers get:Ben Gordon - $4,881,669Kirk Hinrich - $11,000,000the #9 Overall Draft Pickand maybe someone else to match salaries if necessaryThat would give the Lakers the potential lineup next year of:C - Andrew Bynum/Kwame BrownPF - Lamar OdomSF - Julian Wright or Al Thornton or Jeff GreenSG - Ben GordonPG - Kirk HinrichMeanwhile the Bulls would have:C - Ben WallacePF - Tyrus ThomasSF - Luol DengSG - Kobe BryantPG - Chris DuhonThat's what a lot of us have been discussing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 30 2007, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon is a scorer first and foremost, and that's not what you want in a point guard playing with Kobe. Duhon isn't an all-star, but he's a very solid point who can make plays on a playoff calibur team. He'll get the job done, especially with Kobe taking attention away from him. A Gordon-Kobe combination hurts both guys because they need the ball a lot. Duhon won't care if he doesn't get shots.In short, the Bulls are much better off trading Gordon than Deng. If the Lakers can get the deal I described earlier than they'd be better off trading Kobe, because right now they're going nowhere.</div>I'd rather trade Gordon also but I dont see it happening. The Lakers would likely say no unless Deng was part of the package. Id rather have Gordon as a starting point guard then Duhon, and im sure if Deng was gone the bulls would make that happen. Gordon could fit as a pg, the only reason he shoots so much is that he is our shooting guard as of now. If asked to, he could be a decent passer also. I imagine around 5 or 6 assists per game along with 20+ points. He would also be more efficient with Bryant being double teamed, and have much more open shots also so he wouldnt need to be shoot-first so much as he would have great looks at the basket.
Seems like the last straw for Kobe was when a Lakers Insider told the LA times a few day ago that Kobe ran Shaq out of town.http://www.bballworld.us/forum/index.php?showtopic=30649
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hey Rok, what do you think of this?Chicago Bulls get:Kobe Bryant - $19,490,625Los Angeles Lakers get:Ben Gordon - $4,881,669Kirk Hinrich - $11,000,000the #9 Overall Draft Pickand maybe someone else to match salaries if necessary</div>That's not a bad deal actually for the Lakers. They'll never get full value but if I'm Lakers, I'd be intrigued to pull the trigger. Might be more on Bulls, pg becomes weak. And I don't see anyone in their price range that great in the free market(pg wise). But it's Kobe and they need a go to scorer badly. I still think Lakers besides this hoopla, stick with Kobe. I know the main consensus is that's not happening but I just don't see a worthy deal that Lakers pull on. This might be it, but it seems like more fans talking then actuality.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care if he's happy with it or not. He should just shut the hell up and play basketball for his team. He's being a bi*ch about it. He doesn't want to end up like KG by being loyal and not winning, but who's to say winning is out of the question? Trades are still up in the air and anything can happen.</div>For someone who wears a Kobe sig and has been a fierce defender of him in the past, that's pretty disloyal of you to just say you don't care if he is happy or not. Manangement has screwed Kobe before, and it is clear that they want to take the longer route to rebuild whereas Kobe wants to get that process to quicken up. At least unlike KG he is saying these things earlier rather than later so both he and the team will have better outcomes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 30 2007, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>For someone who wears a Kobe sig and has been a fierce defender of him in the past, that's pretty disloyal of you to just say you don't care if he is happy or not. Manangement has screwed Kobe before, and it is clear that they want to take the longer route to rebuild whereas Kobe wants to get that process to quicken up. At least unlike KG he is saying these things earlier rather than later so both he and the team will have better outcomes.</div>F*ck that. It's pretty disloyal for Kobe to just demand a trade. Management has sucked but Kobe is the disloyal one here. He should make himself happy, and he always talks about the Lakers being the greatest Franchise and his favorite team. But then this...so it's like, are you going to be loyal and stay behind the scenes and work with management, or are you going to demand a trade and leave. Leave all of the fans that have been loyal for so many years. Leave an organization that helped get him 3 NBA titles and shape him into the player he is today.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ May 30 2007, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Breaking News: Kobe changes his mind</div>What the F*ck is with this guy. Does he want to stay or go? Make up your mind Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ May 30 2007, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>F*ck that. It's pretty disloyal for Kobe to just demand a trade. Management has sucked but Kobe is the disloyal one here. He should make himself happy, and he always talks about the Lakers being the greatest Franchise and his favorite team. But then this...so it's like, are you going to be loyal and stay behind the scenes and work with management, or are you going to demand a trade and leave. Leave all of the fans that have been loyal for so many years. Leave an organization that helped get him 3 NBA titles and shape him into the player he is today.</div>It is even more disloyal to Kobe, who turned down the oppertunity with other teams in hopes of winning with the Lakers. They have regressed from 04/05 when they actually had a nice piece in Caron, yet traded him for Kwame fu*king Brown. They haven't went for any big trades or FA signing to help Kobe, who has done more for his team in the past 2 years than any star in the NBA right now. He gave you 11 years of top 50 caliber basketball, helped win you guys 3 rings...you should be far more angry at manangement than Kobe in this case.
I just saw something on Sportscenter where he said he talked it out with phil, I wouldnt end all trade talks yet but now id say there is about a 25% chance he gets traded. Laker fans can rejoice for now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's not a bad deal actually for the Lakers. They'll never get full value but if I'm Lakers, I'd be intrigued to pull the trigger. Might be more on Bulls, pg becomes weak. And I don't see anyone in their price range that great in the free market(pg wise). But it's Kobe and they need a go to scorer badly. I still think Lakers besides this hoopla, stick with Kobe. I know the main consensus is that's not happening but I just don't see a worthy deal that Lakers pull on. This might be it, but it seems like more fans talking then actuality.</div>Chris Duhon is good enough to fill that role. They would just need a role player who can do his job and that what Duhon brings to the table. He is a great hustler, good defender and passer. They could go after a PG, but he could fit the role.Kobe is turning into a soap opera damn, he needs to guest star on Days of our Lives.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ May 30 2007, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Duhon is good enough to fill that role. They would just need a role player who can do his job and that what Duhon brings to the table. He is a great hustler, good defender and passer. They could go after a PG, but he could fit the role.Kobe is turning into a soap opera damn, he needs to guest star on Days of our Lives.</div>Our whole damn organization does. Hell even the fans do (I know I've been overly dramatic). But it's a dramatic place and a dramatic situation. I just wish they wouldn't do all this in the media.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 30 2007, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is even more disloyal to Kobe, who turned down the oppertunity with other teams in hopes of winning with the Lakers. They have regressed from 04/05 when they actually had a nice piece in Caron, yet traded him for Kwame fu*king Brown. They haven't went for any big trades or FA signing to help Kobe, who has done more for his team in the past 2 years than any star in the NBA right now. He gave you 11 years of top 50 caliber basketball, helped win you guys 3 rings...you should be far more angry at manangement than Kobe in this case.</div>And I am. But like I said several times.... I just found out a few hours ago and was letting out all the frustration I had, I was venting. I love Kobe, but he drives me crazy. If he does get traded, I hope the best for him, but I am always a Laker fan first.Thank God I just heard he will most likely stay.
In response to inquiries regarding Kobe Bryant?s comments in the media today requesting a trade, Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss has issued the following statement: ?We are aware of the media reports. However, Kobe has not told us directly that he wants to be traded. We have made it very clear that we are building our team around Kobe and that we intend for him to be a Laker his entire career. We will speak directly to Kobe and until we do that, we will not comment publicly about this.? Man I hope he gets traded.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 30 2007, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Laker fans are funny...</div>I know....my feelings for Kobe are changing dramatically based on his decisions.My Point is if he leaves, F*ck Him.If he stays...I love him. That's just the way it is.
3:00 PM''KOBE IS THE BESTEST SG EVERRRRRRRR I LUV KOBAY!!''3:05 PM"Kobes leaving''3:06 PM''I f*cking HATE KOBE!''7:50 PM''he's staying''8:10 PM"KOBE IS THE BESTEST SG EVERRRR I LUV KOBAY!"that basically sums up this thread by Lakers fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>3:00 PM''KOBE IS THE BESTEST SG EVERRRRRRRR!''3:05 PM"Kobes leaving''3:06 PM''I f*cking HATE KOBE!''7:50 PM''he's staying''8:10 PM"KOBE IS THE BESTEST SG EVERRRR!"that basically sums up this thread by Lakers fans.</div>That basically sums up my feelings for the day.
