Official New Jersey Nets #1 pick Status Thread..........

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Who are we rooting for?
     
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    I started rooting for NJ to lose recently as they are far enough away from the dreaded #4 position already.
     
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    OK, since I have already questioned in a previous post whether any picks available to us really have all the qualities needed; maybe we should consider trading the picks, as Buchanan has said they are strongly considering. What if Eric Gordon told the new owners he didn't really want to play in New Orleans? What about the two picks plus Mathews and Thomas in a sign and trade for Gordon? (And I have no idea if this could be agreed upon prior to the draft). And if we did that would we have enough money to go after Deron Williams? Or would only the higher of the two picks be enough? So we could use the other pick on a big? Or what if Crawford got insecure and decided to opt in; then we could trade him and Mathews?
     
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    Curry could REALLY shoot the ball, though... I don't think Rivers can.

    Also, Rivers probably will see himself as a shoot-first player, while Curry (perhaps because he's smaller, or because he's smart) knew he'd have to play the PG spot in the NBA. A poor-shooting 6'4" shooting guard is just about the last thing that NBA teams need to use lottery picks on, whether they are 19 or 23.

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    Rivers doesn't interest me.

    He's not an explosive athlete and doesn't do anything great, at 6'3-ish" -- I hope we stay away.

    He screams 'OJ Mayo' type of potential.
     
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    People are drooling over Bradley Beal, though. I just don't get it. I loved that guy when I thought he was close to Roy's size. He's not even close, though, and isn't even a solid shooter like Eric Gordon, who at least has a role in the NBA as a scorer, albeit a limited one on both ends of the court.
     
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    They will both probably lose their second to last game (NJ vs Philly and Milw vs Tor) which means going into the game they will probably be tied. This might be one of the most tankerific games ever. I might have to watch out of pure curiosity to see who can play worse and how obvious it is.
     
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    I am doing the same. I have league pass and won't miss this one. It will be one for the ages
     
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    I doubt there is anyone in this draft that can shoot better off the dribble.
     
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    I would be disapointed if Portland actually gets NJ's pick and uses it on Rivers, but he's not the worst pick with our second lottery pick
     
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    yeah, NJ pick is too high for Rivers, IMO.
     
    RR7, Apr 23, 2012
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    What are you talking about? Gordon shot worse in college than Beal did. He also has a worse (lower) release than Beal, and is about the same size. Why doesn't Beal have a role in the NBA? I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion.
     
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    I agree. Scouts and people seem all too eager to discount Beal's shooting as a freshman this year but then somehow want to discount what Rivers did. Rivers was THE go-to guy on Duke and he put up some pretty darn good numbers as a freshman...

    I think Rivers is going to be a good pro, there are a lot of indications that he will be...

    But this is likely a moot point anyway b\c Beal will not be there when POR picks anyway....
     
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    Based on his stats, he probably should have shot off the dribble a little less. Or maybe not.

    In any case, he didn't shoot all that well.

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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The trouble with Rivers is the fact that his athleticism isn't necessarily NBA caliber. Beal is around the same size (a little more sturdy though) but he's a better athlete ... and athleticism matters a lot when making the jump from college to the pros especially for guys who might be a little bit undersized.
     
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    Ty"reek" says it all, I hope we stay far away
     
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    If you want stats then Jon Diebler is our guy.

    Playing only one year does make it really tough to evaluate, but none the less who is the best shooter in the draft? If you go by stats then the guys who only shoot set shots when they are wide open would excel. But those guys are often "never" open in NBA as they can not create their own shot. Rivers to me has the most potential than any other SG's I have seen in this draft to create his own shot. And we desperately need someone who can. If there is someone who is an option let me know.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. Diebler couldn't even score 13 ppg as a 22 year-old senior. Was he a fantastic shooter? Of course. That's what shooting stats measure, and why I'm not convinced that Rivers is a good shooter.

    The best shooters are, IMO, those that shoot high percentages and have good size for their position... while I don't have statistical evidence that larger players (for their positions) are more likely to carry forward a better percentage to the NBA, it seems to make sense to me. Another element is athleticism.

    Obviously no single one of those three traits (good FG% in college, good size for his position, and superior athleticism) are guarantees of anything--heck, even all three doesn't guarantee anything. When a player has none of the three, though, as Rivers does ... ? That is a glaring red flag to me.

    Another way of looking at my primary concern about Rivers: he shot less than 66% from the free throw line last year. Is that consistent with being a really good shooter?

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    I have mixed feelings about this pick being ours or not. To me it looks like there is a talent drop after the first 4-5 picks, with some potential surprises in the next 10 for those skilled enough to select them (not sure that is the Blazers). If the NJ pick is not 1-3, then it will likely be around 7-8.

    Part of me would rather roll the dice, hope that NJ doesn't retain D. Williams, and ends up one of the bottom dwellers next year, where the top four players look very good. We might have a very good shot at 3-4 next year, and with a long term view, I would rather have 3-4 next year, than 7-8 this year.

    I recognize there is risk in this, in that NJ could end up with 7-8 next year, which would be worse because of the time lag and potentially less deep draft. But, I won't be totally upset if we have to defer the pick because of luck or conspiracy.
     
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