<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sartre2025:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe, Chucky, Odom, and Butler (when he's hot) are capable of scoring 20 points on any night, but Kobe is the only one playing outstanding defense. New defensive coaching is in order with a emphasis on stopping dribble penetration; Arenas killed us with that Friday night.</div> i agree..but im going to put a little more blame on mr atkins. he couldnt keep arenas in front of him at all. he also fouled alot. i think he ended up with 5. not to take away anything from gilbet's game though. he spanked us that game. we need a defensive/pass 1st pg with a decent/ok offensive game.
How About This. Lakers trade: Deaven George Chris Mihm Tony Bobbitt (maybe Chucky Atkins) 2nd round draft pick Bulls trade: Eddy Curry Kirk Henrich Lakers recieve: Eddy Curry Kirk Henrich Bulls recieve: Deaven George Chris Mihm Tony Bobbitt (maybe Chucky Atkins) 2nd round draft pick Trade Accepted: The Bulls will benefit from this trade by getting a guard or forward (Deaven G.)that can take it to the hole and has a good mid range jumpshot. They would also get a good established center (Chris Mihm)who knows the meaning of work, and knows by experience what it is like to be on a bad team trying to change into a better team (He was with the Celtics last year). He can also offer leadership and experience to the young bulls team. And they may be able to mold the young G (Tony Bobbitt) into a good passer and upcourt pusher, and can give off passes to Luol Deng and Ben Gordon. Bulls starting lineup: PG Ben Gordon SG Deaven George SF Luol Deng PF Tyson Chandler C Chris Mihm ________________________________________________________________ Trade Accepted: The Lakers could really become a pretty good team in the West, and with this trade they will be able to compete much better in the Pacific Division. With Kirk Henrich they will have a good, solid, point guard, that can shoot the three well (40%), and is a great passer (7 apg). He would probaly beat Chucky Atkins out for the starting position, and would let Kobe be able to be a full time SG (by not letting Kobe always push the ball upcourt). He also could give the Lakers the decent 3-shooter they need. As for Curry, he is a young entergetic talent, that has not lived up to the expectations placed on him when he went straight from high school to the pros, but has tons of potential (look on Sportscenter, at the Bulls highlights). He has a very athletic and strong body, which could match with Amare Stoudmare and other western big men. All he needs is just more motivation and he can look like a young Shaq (he really plays well against Shaq, whenever he plays him) and playing along side with Kobe will give you lots of motivation (ask Chris Mihm). Not to mention he is a superb shot blocker, great dunker, inside shooter, and sometimes has great inside presence, pretty much everything the Lakers want and need. Lakers starting lineup: PG Kirk Henrich SG Kobe Bryant SF Caron Butler PF Lamar Odom C Eddy Curry
Chicago will not trade Hinrich, and def. not along with Curry. Hinrich is an untouchable in Chicago...Him and Ben Gordan are the future of that franchise. I can see them trading Curry, but I think they would want Caron Butler in that trade.
Or you could add a third team and put Caron Butler in the trade. Lets say the third team is the Indiana Pacers. Look below: Indiana trades: G/F Ron Artest G Freddy Jones Los Angeles trades: G/F Caron Butler C Chris Mihm PG Chucky Atkins G/F Deaven George 1st round draft pick Chicago trades: PG Kirk Henrich C Eddy Curry ____________________________________________________________________ Indiana recieves: 1st round pick Deaven George Chucky Atkins Chicago recieves: G/F Caron Butler C Chris Mihm G Freddy Jones Los Angeles recieves: G/F Ron Artest PG Kirk Henrich C Eddy Curry __________________________________________________________ Indiana really is getting fed up with Ron Artest, and he wants to be a producer, so why not go to Hollywood. Plus LA really needs some perimeter defense to help Kobe. Chicago wants that player that is young, can score 20 pts a night, and can play good defense, so they get Caron Butler Indiana is already doing well without Artest, but needs some youth too help out Miller, O'neal, and Tinsley. With George they can get more points, and Chucky would be a great backup to Tinsley.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe2mike:</div><div class="quote_post">Or you could add a third team and put Caron Butler in the trade. Lets say the third team is the Indiana Pacers. Look below: Indiana trades: G/F Ron Artest G Freddy Jones Los Angeles trades: G/F Caron Butler C Chris Mihm PG Chucky Atkins G/F Deaven George 1st round draft pick Chicago trades: PG Kirk Henrich C Eddy Curry ____________________________________________________________________ Indiana recieves: 1st round pick Deaven George Chucky Atkins Chicago recieves: G/F Caron Butler C Chris Mihm G Freddy Jones Los Angeles recieves: G/F Ron Artest PG Kirk Henrich C Eddy Curry __________________________________________________________ Indiana really is getting fed up with Ron Artest, and he wants to be a producer, so why not go to Hollywood. Plus LA really needs some perimeter defense to help Kobe. Chicago wants that player that is young, can score 20 pts a night, and can play good defense, so they get Caron Butler Indiana is already doing well without Artest, but needs some youth too help out Miller, O'neal, and Tinsley. With George they can get more points, and Chucky would be a great backup to Tinsley.</div> Not a bad trade, I know Artest has a bad rep, but look he is good at basketball and the best defensive player in the league....he could be a key part of the lakers and I think the Pacers just dont want him w/ him being out this season and if they make a trade were they get 2 guys who can produce off the bench they would make this trade because there probably not going. Of course if you look at who we are sending off and receiving it is a lot..Hinrich, Curry, and Artest...those are 2 superstars and a big man who can become with a good coach a great big man.....the only reason I see this happening is for couple things...Curry contract ending this year.....Bulls are loosing....Artest rep and trade value after the fight is so low he could go for George, I mean he is out for this season no doubt and if he is headcase with Indiana why dont they trade him and maybe it will be a new start...Rudy T. is a great coach who connects with his players great, maybe he can work with Artest and help get his mind striaght about the game? I love this trade and if it was brought up.....I would make it in a instant...tho I like Mihm interior D he brings to the table...again we could always try to sign a tanker. Our Roster Would Look Like This: Hinrich/Brown/Bobbit Bryant/Vujacic Artest/Jones/Walton Odom/Cook/Slava Curry/Grant/Divac Not a bad lign up....especially the core of players.
Still Chicago would not do that. Caron is a role player at best. Kirk Hinrich can actually amount to something in this league. And even with Artest's bad rep, Indy can get more than that for Artest. Hinrich isn't leaving chicago..but I believe we could get Eddy Curry from them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Still Chicago would not do that. Caron is a role player at best. Kirk Hinrich can actually amount to something in this league. And even with Artest's bad rep, Indy can get more than that for Artest. Hinrich isn't leaving chicago..but I believe we could get Eddy Curry from them.</div> Caron could become a star he has good defense and good offense, what isnt there to like? He has no weak point. Just that hes been injured last year. Just needs to egt back on track.
Then Caron was a first round draft pick, and came in third in the rookie of the year voting, behind only Yao Ming and Amare Stoudamire. Plus look at his stats, 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, and 2 spg. And he is the number three player on the Lakers, just think if he was on a young team with a bigger role. We could be talking All-Star stats, 24 ppg, 8 rpg, 7 apg, 3 spg, and being in the east he would make the All-Star team, and have the Bulls in a position to be at least an eighth seed in the playoffs. And about Artest, he couldn't ask for a better trade, he would probaly love being in LA. And Rudy T. is considered the ultimate player's coach. Artest is one of the few players in the NBA who likes and respects Kobe, they'll be two outsiders on a team, perfect match. I think Artest's act would be loved by the LA fans, and his act may even clear up a little, along with his play. We could be talking more championships for LA if this trade is done, starting this year, the perfect trade for LA, a much needed trade to help revive and get Chicago in the playoffs, and a trade for the starting over Pacers, who would love to have more depth on the bench.
This is really off the wall and far fetched but...... The Lakers are in dire need of playmaking, and Atkins is really just a shooter, and Brown is .... well, i dunno what he is, he doesn't do much really... So maybe the Lakers should take a look at a guy like Omar Cook. Sure he couldn't make a shot if the basket were 8 feet wide, but we're not asking him to start. Rather, just play a few minutes and setup the other guys for easy scores. Despite his broken shot, he's a great penetrator and passer. Additionally, he gets his hands on a lot of balls defensively... best of all, he would be free (relatively) ... we're already getting suprising production with one Cook, won't hurt to try another, lol. This season (NBDL stats) Omar Cook: 12.3 ppg, <font color="Red">7.8 apg</font>, 3.8 rpg, <font color="Red">3.4 spg</font>, 2.4 tpg, 36.9% FG (<--ouch) ...assist-to-turnover ratio: 3.25-to-1
No its not that far fetched if you think about it especially for Indiana. Instead of having Ron Artest they could have Deaven George, who plays like a better and younger Rick Fox. And Chucky Atkins could give them more points and would be a really great PG of the bench. He'll be like a Eastern offensive version of Bobby Jackson. Then with that pick they could get G Chris Paul, or even that next LeBron James everyone is wavering about. Plus this Omar Cook guy doesn't seem like a very good or consistent rebounder, I hope he isn't power forward or a center, because he would have to work on rebounding. Cause rebounding is what the Lakers need right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe2mike:</div><div class="quote_post">No its not that far fetched if you think about it especially for Indiana. Instead of having Ron Artest they could have Deaven George, who plays like a better and younger Rick Fox. And Chucky Atkins could give them more points and would be a really great PG of the bench. He'll be like a Eastern offensive version of Bobby Jackson. Then with that pick they could get G Chris Paul, or even that next LeBron James everyone is wavering about. Plus this Omar Cook guy doesn't seem like a very good or consistent rebounder, I hope he isn't power forward or a center, because he would have to work on rebounding. Cause rebounding is what the Lakers need right now.</div> the trade is ridicoulous...why waste space talking about it You will not get Eddy Curry(a quality, young big man), Kirk Hinrich(could be one of the best PG's in the league), and Ron Artest(a proven defender, all around hustle guy and a above average young affordable offensive talent) for Chris Mihm, average big man Atkins, not that young, not the skilled..which is why you got him so cheap George...has never amounted to much + injuries Butler, a good prospect indeed and a 1st rounder(with the aftermath lineup it would be a 25+ pick=crap) discuss actual trades that could come to pass with all parties having half a brain
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting kobe2mike:</div><div class="quote_post">Then Caron was a first round draft pick, and came in third in the rookie of the year voting, behind only Yao Ming and Amare Stoudamire. Plus look at his stats, 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, and 2 spg. And he is the number three player on the Lakers, just think if he was on a young team with a bigger role. We could be talking All-Star stats, 24 ppg, 8 rpg, 7 apg, 3 spg, and being in the east he would make the All-Star team, and have the Bulls in a position to be at least an eighth seed in the playoffs. And about Artest, he couldn't ask for a better trade, he would probaly love being in LA. And Rudy T. is considered the ultimate player's coach. Artest is one of the few players in the NBA who likes and respects Kobe, they'll be two outsiders on a team, perfect match. I think Artest's act would be loved by the LA fans, and his act may even clear up a little, along with his play. We could be talking more championships for LA if this trade is done, starting this year, the perfect trade for LA, a much needed trade to help revive and get Chicago in the playoffs, and a trade for the starting over Pacers, who would love to have more depth on the bench.</div> Chicago might break even in this trade for immedate talent..even though Mihm isnt as good as Curry,not by a long shot....and I'd choose Hinrich any day over Butler, they would get Jones, who i love and think could be a top 50 player some day. But they wouldnt do it and did i hear you say something about "the starting over Pacers" are you crazy!!! They were among the favorites for the championship before the brawl and even without Artest they're still a likely Eastern Conferance Finals team.
um...I'm new n young, but hey i have my input OK I'm new to this website, but I live in Cali so I watch the Lakers n Clippers play everyday soo here I go....*winces* LA TRADES: Caron Butler Tony Bobbit Brian Cook Portland Trades: Nick Van Exel Shareef Abdur-Rahim New York Trades: Penny Hardaway Allan Houston LA GETS: Shareef Abdur-Rahim Penny Hardaway Portland gets: Allan Houston Brian Cook Tony Bobbit New York gets: Nick Van Exel Caron Butler -------------------- LA would benefit from getting Shareef because he can score in the post, he can shoot, plus he isnt selfish and doesnt demand alot of shots. Penny was a star in his prime, but played a lesser role in Pheonix and New York, but was a leader of the bench for the younger guys. Portland would get rid of a disgruntled Shareef and get some good 3 pt shootin in Cook, Bobbitt, and Houston. Plus they can play their cherished Darius Miles at the SF for more minutes. New York gets a player like Nick Van Exel who Isiah loves because Isiah loves guards...and plus he gets someone like Caron who has potential that Isiah loves as well... I don't know the salary situation so if someone can please find that info out it would be great...Thanx <font size="1"><font color="Red">Try and keep from double-posting, no matter how long the post is. Thanks. -Brandon</font></font>
last reply waz too long so i separate into 2 LA would benefit from getting Shareef because he can score in the post, he can shoot, plus he isnt selfish and doesnt demand alot of shots. Penny was a star in his prime, but played a lesser role in Pheonix and New York, but was a leader of the bench for the younger guys. Portland would get rid of a disgruntled Shareef and get some good 3 pt shootin in Cook, Bobbitt, and Houston. Plus they can play their cherished Darius Miles at the SF for more minutes. New York gets a player like Nick Van Exel who Isiah loves because Isiah loves guards...and plus he gets someone like Caron who has potential that Isiah loves as well... I don't know the salary situation so if someone can please find that info out it would be great...Thanx
It sounds very good for the Lakers, but the salaries don't work. Shareef is making much more than what we are trading...Butler, Bobbitt and Cook are barely under $4 million together. Salaries have to match. Go to hoopshype.com and check them out. Or, you could go to realgm.com and do the trade checker...whatever suits you best. And...welcome to JBB. It's good to have you here.
Nene and P.J Brown On Trading Block <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Nene's name has come up in trade discussions. If he remains with Denver, Coyne said Nene's starting situation could affect whether he will look to sign an extension with the Nuggets in the summer or become a restricted free agent in 2006. "We'll see how the season goes," Coyne said. "If he's not going to start, he's probably not going to stay here."</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"His statistics are better than the two starters (Martin and Camby) when he does start," Michael Coyne said Wednesday. "The numbers don't lie. I think he should start." Nene has started the past four games and averaged 17.8 points and 11.3 rebounds. He started two games at power forward in place of an injured Martin, then two games at center for an injured Camby." Rocky Mountain News</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"The Hornets apparently are listening to offers for starting point guard Baron Davis and several other players, including veteran forward P.J. Brown. "With all the trade talk and trade rumors, it's just part of playing in the NBA," Davis said. "If I am going to be traded, I would like to have some type of say so and some type of preference of where I want to go." New Orleans Times-Picayune</div> http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm This is all good news for the Laker's and they could use any 2 of these guys, both would bring a great defensive toughness to the middle and some scoring on the opposite end....I would prefer to get Nene because of his youth and potential but I would be just as happy with either one. New Orleans is looking for expiring contracts for cap room. I say we trade Divac and Slava which would give them 5 million cap room next year and 3 million more cap room in 06. I think ti would be a good idea to do a trade along those lines. We could possibly do a trade for Nene which would send Caron Butler and Brian Cook(ahh to of my fav players for the Lakers...but I love the Laker's more...) for Nene because I think we need Nene more and it would move Nene to the starting spot he wants at pf and we get Odom playing the 3. We could possibly attempt both trade which would lead us with a strong roster of: Atkins/T. Brown/Bobbit Bryant/Vujacic Odom/Jones/Walton Nene/P. Brown Mihm/Grant But of course we could when Mihm is resting and need a healthier guy in the middle run with a front court of P.Brown/Nene. If the Laker's could some how trade for these two guys I think we could have a great line up and really get the kind of line up we need.
haha I was scared for a minute I hit refresh and than it said this thread doesn't exist. Thx. Also what do you think about it Brandon?
Baron Davis to the Lakers? Baron Davis would be a great addition to the Lakers and he seems to be being shopped all over the league except to the Lakers. We lost our shot at JKidd and now BD doesn't seem to be on our radar, why is it that the Lakers are not out there beating the bushes for some talent. It is no longer a possibility that we have anything better than a .500 team as it exists and if we do make the playoffs, it will be one and out. Last year Detroit went out and got Rasheed and went to the finals. Ownership needs to get off their butts and do something before we turn into the Hawks.
