Is Andre Miller that good? I think he is a solid NBA starting PG who will have a job at the point in the NBA for some time to come. But I don't think he did that good when he was in the Western Conference. But maybe I am wrong. A pg that would seem easy to get, but the Warriors don't seem to have the pieces to get, is Luke Ridnour. I think he would be an interesting backup point guard or perhaps starting point guard depending on how Monta does and how Luke would do in a Nelson system. He is due a bit more than $6 million over the next two years, which is so-so perhaps but seemingly tolerable. I just don't know how the Warriors could get him. I wouldn't want to trade anybody on the team for him, except some players whose salaries would not reach $6million. Maybe if the Warriors had that trade-exemption something could be worked out.
Andre Miller is pretty good. He's probably one of the best playmakers in the league, but the knock on him is he's not that athletic, he's not the quickest of 6'2-6'3 guards and he doesn't have much shot range. His shot selections are that he generally prefers to drive rather than shoot and he'll try to pass first before looking to score. When he's in drive mode, he looks to get fouled so he won't dish the ball sometimes. Deron Williams was a bit like him in terms of basketball players that could be running backs in college football, but overall Williams is a better shooter, inside scorer, and way more athletic. Deron leans more towards the Baron Davis side of 6'3 attacking point guards whereas IMO Miller lies somewhere between border-line star and 3rd best player on any given playoff team. Miller might be a bit quicker than Williams, but he's not as athletic or strong as Williams who can throw down some pretty nice power dunks for a 6'3 guard. Andre Miller is in fact very good, but pass first point guards like Jkidd, Williams, Paul or Nash bring a lot more attention offensively probably due to the fact that they either run the fastbreak, work the pick roll better or shoot the 3 reliably. I'm sure Miller would be up there with the stars if his shooting was better or if he was quick enough to get away with subpar shooting, because most all-star points aren't limited to 18 feet or 20 feet from the basket. In fact, it's almost guaranteed the point guard won't be an all-star if he can't shoot from at least 23 feet consistently. He's got the strength to drive and finish and the court sense to make very nice plays, but he's missing that shooting requirement that guards are supposed to have. Defensively, I'm not real sure how good Miller is. I thought he was decent.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clif25 @ Jul 14 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Andre Miller that good? I think he is a solid NBA starting PG who will have a job at the point in the NBA for some time to come. But I don't think he did that good when he was in the Western Conference. But maybe I am wrong. A pg that would seem easy to get, but the Warriors don't seem to have the pieces to get, is Luke Ridnour. I think he would be an interesting backup point guard or perhaps starting point guard depending on how Monta does and how Luke would do in a Nelson system. He is due a bit more than $6 million over the next two years, which is so-so perhaps but seemingly tolerable. I just don't know how the Warriors could get him. I wouldn't want to trade anybody on the team for him, except some players whose salaries would not reach $6million. Maybe if the Warriors had that trade-exemption something could be worked out.</div> I agree about Ridnour. I've liked him for a while and think he could fit in pretty good here. I don't think the salaries have to match right now. Unitl we sign Monta and Biedrins, the W's have cap space and can trade him for a second round pick or 2.
I'm on vacation now, but Mullin needs to find a starting PG. This doesn't sound good for the Warriors because Mullin and Nellie are deferring the job to Monta when he couldn't get the job as backup last season. I don't know but it would've been better if Monta was being groomed to replace Baron (didn't get that impression at all). We need to get Kirk Hinrich or Andre Miller, but don't know who we can trade to get them. I'd even take a flyer on Tinsley. This sounds like typical Warriors wishful thinking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jul 15 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm on vacation now, but Mullin needs to find a starting PG. This doesn't sound good for the Warriors because Mullin and Nellie are deferring the job to Monta when he couldn't get the job as backup last season. I don't know but it would've been better if Monta was being groomed to replace Baron (didn't get that impression at all). We need to get Kirk Hinrich or Andre Miller, but don't know who we can trade to get them. I'd even take a flyer on Tinsley. This sounds like typical Warriors wishful thinking.</div> I don't think we need a starting PG. We just need depth at the PG position. Monta is going to be slotted in the starting PG spot as this lineup puts the best talent on the floor regardless of who we pick up: PG: Monta SG: Sjax SF: Maggette PF: Wright C: Biedrins I think we need to see for ourselves if Monta can step up and be a smarter basketball player, not necessarily a true PG. We need contributions from everyone to make up for Baron's absence.
I'm all about CJ Watson. A third string and good enough to play second is all we need. How about Raul Lopez or some guy from overseas?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 15 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jul 15 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm on vacation now, but Mullin needs to find a starting PG. This doesn't sound good for the Warriors because Mullin and Nellie are deferring the job to Monta when he couldn't get the job as backup last season. I don't know but it would've been better if Monta was being groomed to replace Baron (didn't get that impression at all). We need to get Kirk Hinrich or Andre Miller, but don't know who we can trade to get them. I'd even take a flyer on Tinsley. This sounds like typical Warriors wishful thinking.</div> I don't think we need a starting PG. We just need depth at the PG position. Monta is going to be slotted in the starting PG spot as this lineup puts the best talent on the floor regardless of who we pick up: PG: Monta SG: Sjax SF: Maggette PF: Wright C: Biedrins I think we need to see for ourselves if Monta can step up and be a smarter basketball player, not necessarily a true PG. We need contributions from everyone to make up for Baron's absence. </div> I concur with this post, though it wouldn't hurt to get a PG in case Monta doesn't work out and needs to be 6th man or move to SG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Jul 15 2008, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clif25 @ Jul 14 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is Andre Miller that good? I think he is a solid NBA starting PG who will have a job at the point in the NBA for some time to come. But I don't think he did that good when he was in the Western Conference. But maybe I am wrong. A pg that would seem easy to get, but the Warriors don't seem to have the pieces to get, is Luke Ridnour. I think he would be an interesting backup point guard or perhaps starting point guard depending on how Monta does and how Luke would do in a Nelson system. He is due a bit more than $6 million over the next two years, which is so-so perhaps but seemingly tolerable. I just don't know how the Warriors could get him. I wouldn't want to trade anybody on the team for him, except some players whose salaries would not reach $6million. Maybe if the Warriors had that trade-exemption something could be worked out.</div> I agree about Ridnour. I've liked him for a while and think he could fit in pretty good here. I don't think the salaries have to match right now. Unitl we sign Monta and Biedrins, the W's have cap space and can trade him for a second round pick or 2. </div> Oh yeah, Ridnour. He could be a nice addition if you don't care about defense. His shot and passing is old school point guard all the way. Fans of classic points will love him.
I haven't seen Luke Ridnour that much but don't think he's a starting PG either. We're talking about making the playoffs again, so we need a starting PG. What really is bugging me is Mullin hasn't said anything to that effect and we are doomed to falling into mediocrity again. It would've been better to give the $50 M that Maggette got to Baron since we didn't get Brand. Oh, the situation is all messed up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Jul 17 2008, 03:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I haven't seen Luke Ridnour that much but don't think he's a starting PG either. We're talking about making the playoffs again, so we need a starting PG. What really is bugging me is Mullin hasn't said anything to that effect and we are doomed to falling into mediocrity again. It would've been better to give the $50 M that Maggette got to Baron since we didn't get Brand. Oh, the situation is all messed up.</div> Usually, the best deals are the ones that are kept out of the media rumor circle. Let's give Mullin the benefit of the doubt. Like I said though, I don't think the Warriors will be picking up a starting PG. They're just going to get depth at the PG position. Your deference to needing a starting PG is just reacting to Baron's absence. What the Warriors need to do is as a team is step up and play better team basketball. The result might surprise you.
Kensaku's right, we need chemistry which equates to better team play. I think we've got some unselfish warriors. All starters would average at least nearly 3 assists a game (with the exception of Harrington and Beans who are play finishers from inside or outside and probably left the most open). Ridnour would be awesome for the transition game, but I'm sure he's more coveted by other teams. If we get Ridnour, it pushes Watson to the 2 guard spot or third string point. The benefit is we get probably the best playmaker on our team, a pure shooting stroke point guard, and a guy who can run. The downside is he's not as strong or aggressive as CJ Watson/Monta Ellis going inside despite the same weights. But we need shooters, good ballhandlers, and passers or else we'll have a hard time scoring.
I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 17 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL</div> LOL you must really eat, drink and SLEEP Warriors basketball. Nice dream.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clif25 @ Jul 17 2008, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 17 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL</div> LOL you must really eat, drink and SLEEP Warriors basketball. Nice dream. </div> Yeah, 13 years of nightmares
Just rumors right now but theres been a lot of buzz circulating about a Billups for Biedrins trade: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Immediately after the Baron Davis trade, Don Nelson publicly came out with a ringing endorsement of Monta Ellis as the next point guard in Oakland. Warriors’ GM Chris Mullin backed Nellie’s assertion, but his actions might say a whole lot more about how he really feels starting Monta as the primary point. Chris Mullin may not believe his own rhetoric about Ellis. The buzz in Detroit is that the Warriors and Pistons have been talking about a deal involving point guard Chauncey Billups. The Pistons want Andris Biedrins, the Warriors are offering up Al Harrington. Harrington by all means. But Biedrins? No way. While it should come as no surprise that the Warriors would happily solicit Mr. Big Shot’s services, are you surprised that Andris Biedrins stock is high enough to be dealt for a former Final MVP one-for-one? Granted, the biggest difference here is age: Biedrins turned 22 in April and Billups turns 32 in September. It feels like Detroit should get something more than just Biedrins, even if he’s close to a 10-10 guy who leads the League in field goal percentage. No casual fan is going to buy a ticket to the Palace at Auburn Hills to see some Latvian dude who spends too much time gelling his hair.</div> http://dimemag.com/2008/07/nba-trade-rumor...ndris-biedrins/ I think I'm in the minority who would be for a trade like this. Granted Biedrins is 22 years old, solid center and one of the better rebounders in the league. My perception of his upside has cooled off as he remains without much of a post up game or any game outside of 8 feet. I love his energy and game overall but I also think Billups is a very very solid PG, one who could play next to Monta. This could work if we get another serviceable big back from Detroit as well. Sheed would be nice but probably unrealistic. One of McDyess, Maxiel, or Amir Johnson could work though. Our lineup would be very awkward though because thne Mags would probably have to come off the bench and we'd have some strange C rotation of Turiaf, Wright, and a Detroit big man unless we move Al for a C. I'm guessing this is just rumors with no merit but it does make some sense for both teams. Interesting trade fodder to re-kindle some discussion.
Interesting proposal. I dunno. I am a huge fan of Biedrins. My main reason for being a Biedrins fan was in part du to Baron Davis. Beans was te perfect center for him. Long and lean to run the floor up-tempo. Awesome hands to catch little dumps and dishes from Baron. Lightning quick under the basket to put back missed and get tip-ins. Awesome on the alley-oop. Great on the pick-n-roll, which Davis/Beans ran like butter for two years. No, he's not big and strong, and he doesn't have a jumper. But he was perfect with a PG like Baron who would drive to the rack and draw a double 90% of the time. Beans just has the great hands and quick reflexes for that type of game. Now, without a TRUE point guard to set beans up (pick-n-roll, drive and dish, give-n-go), I don;t know how he'll fare. I just don't see Monta running that lights-out pick-n-roll the way Baron and Beans used to slice up teams with. I hope it works out, though. But, with Billups, he's already 32, and while he was awesome during the championships, he now seems quite mortal. How would he adjust to the radical difference under Nellie's system? This would definitely be a move to win now. I like it because I've been asking for a true PG to help the young guys develop. But at the expense of Biedrins? He's already proven himself in his short career, and he could be the GS center for the next 10-15 years. It's a tough call. But it does make sense. If we could do it for Harrington and picks, instead, that would be awesome!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 17 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL</div> Wow, you are hardcore. I never dream about the Warriors. As passionate as I am about the Warriors, I can never dream about them, but only about the childhood events that have scarred me for life and leave me sobbing and lying there in a puddle of cold sweat. Just kidding! Anyhoooo, I'm really glad that the Warriors will be able to beat the Clippers a little bit easier now that Elton Brand is away to the East, Baron is a pound and a half away from injuring himself again, and we got their very own Corey Maggette to run the ball right at Chris Kaman. If Mags gets injured, then we got Ellis and CJ Watson to go straight to the rack. My only worry is guarding Baron Davis. I think the best option is to let him shoot! If he dominates the entire team's possessions at least he stays on the perimeter or has to work for it at the foul line. Maybe he'll start crying about fouls and get a T or ejected. I hope the Warriors can do something humiliating to the Clippers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jul 17 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 17 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL</div> Wow, you are hardcore. I never dream about the Warriors. As passionate as I am about the Warriors, I can never dream about them, but only about the childhood events that have scarred me for life and leave me sobbing and lying there in a puddle of cold sweat. Just kidding! Anyhoooo, I'm really glad that the Warriors will be able to beat the Clippers a little bit easier now that Elton Brand is away to the East, Baron is a pound and a half away from injuring himself again, and we got their very own Corey Maggette to run the ball right at Chris Kaman. If Mags gets injured, then we got Ellis and CJ Watson to go straight to the rack. My only worry is guarding Baron Davis. I think the best option is to let him shoot! If he dominates the entire team's possessions at least he stays on the perimeter or has to work for it at the foul line. Maybe he'll start crying about fouls and get a T or ejected. I hope the Warriors can do something humiliating to the Clippers. </div> It sounds like Ellis and CJ will have to attack the Clippers front court of Kaman and CAMBY. How the heck did the Clippers trade a second round pick for Marcus Camby? Wow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Jul 17 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just rumors right now but theres been a lot of buzz circulating about a Billups for Biedrins trade: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Immediately after the Baron Davis trade, Don Nelson publicly came out with a ringing endorsement of Monta Ellis as the next point guard in Oakland. Warriors’ GM Chris Mullin backed Nellie’s assertion, but his actions might say a whole lot more about how he really feels starting Monta as the primary point. Chris Mullin may not believe his own rhetoric about Ellis. The buzz in Detroit is that the Warriors and Pistons have been talking about a deal involving point guard Chauncey Billups. The Pistons want Andris Biedrins, the Warriors are offering up Al Harrington. Harrington by all means. But Biedrins? No way. While it should come as no surprise that the Warriors would happily solicit Mr. Big Shot’s services, are you surprised that Andris Biedrins stock is high enough to be dealt for a former Final MVP one-for-one? Granted, the biggest difference here is age: Biedrins turned 22 in April and Billups turns 32 in September. It feels like Detroit should get something more than just Biedrins, even if he’s close to a 10-10 guy who leads the League in field goal percentage. No casual fan is going to buy a ticket to the Palace at Auburn Hills to see some Latvian dude who spends too much time gelling his hair.</div> http://dimemag.com/2008/07/nba-trade-rumor...ndris-biedrins/ I think I'm in the minority who would be for a trade like this. Granted Biedrins is 22 years old, solid center and one of the better rebounders in the league. My perception of his upside has cooled off as he remains without much of a post up game or any game outside of 8 feet. I love his energy and game overall but I also think Billups is a very very solid PG, one who could play next to Monta. This could work if we get another serviceable big back from Detroit as well. Sheed would be nice but probably unrealistic. One of McDyess, Maxiel, or Amir Johnson could work though. Our lineup would be very awkward though because thne Mags would probably have to come off the bench and we'd have some strange C rotation of Turiaf, Wright, and a Detroit big man unless we move Al for a C. I'm guessing this is just rumors with no merit but it does make some sense for both teams. Interesting trade fodder to re-kindle some discussion. </div> Re-signing Andris and Monta is taking WAY too long. Something might be up there. After the Arenas situation and now Baron Davis, can we just sign these two ASAP? Please.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clif25 @ Jul 17 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Custodianrules2 @ Jul 17 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kensaku @ Jul 17 2008, 11:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I had a funny dream last night. I was at the Staples Center at a Clippers vs. Warriors game -- the place was empty -- and Baron as usual came out of the locker room last. Instead of going to the bench, he went to the first row seat along the baseline. I decided to go there and give him a piece of Warriors' fans mind. He ignored me. LOL</div> Wow, you are hardcore. I never dream about the Warriors. As passionate as I am about the Warriors, I can never dream about them, but only about the childhood events that have scarred me for life and leave me sobbing and lying there in a puddle of cold sweat. Just kidding! Anyhoooo, I'm really glad that the Warriors will be able to beat the Clippers a little bit easier now that Elton Brand is away to the East, Baron is a pound and a half away from injuring himself again, and we got their very own Corey Maggette to run the ball right at Chris Kaman. If Mags gets injured, then we got Ellis and CJ Watson to go straight to the rack. My only worry is guarding Baron Davis. I think the best option is to let him shoot! If he dominates the entire team's possessions at least he stays on the perimeter or has to work for it at the foul line. Maybe he'll start crying about fouls and get a T or ejected. I hope the Warriors can do something humiliating to the Clippers. </div> It sounds like Ellis and CJ will have to attack the Clippers front court of Kaman and CAMBY. How the heck did the Clippers trade a second round pick for Marcus Camby? Wow. </div> Right. Right. Right. I thought that Camby rumor was bull so I discounted it.
