Official: you be the GM (what would you do)

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  1. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I wouldn't trade three day old bird shit for Carmello Anthony.
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    We convince Cleveland to do a S&T with Hawes, use our MLE to sign said wing, and get the best PG our BAE can get?
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Wes/Leonard/Claver for Deng.

    MLE for Hawes.

    BAE for Livingston.

    Dame/Livingston
    Nic/CJ
    Deng/Barton
    LA/Robinson
    Rolo/Hawes
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    In Lu and LMA, you'll have a pair of starting forwards who take lots of the least effective shots in the game.

    Something to think about.
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    So what you're saying is, Deng will fit right in with Stotts team concept!
     
  6. Schilly

    Schilly Well-Known Member

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    Ok so Livingston is going to take $2 mil a season?
     
  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    He only made 1.3 million last season. He's due for a raise, but I'm sure there's still questions about his long term health. I don't think anyone is going to sink a huge contract into him. He might take 2 million to be the primary backup to Dame if he's guaranteed Mo minutes (25ish a game).
     
  8. Schilly

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    If you really want to shake things up trade Wes + Wright + CJ and Leonard for Deng and Waiters, then Sign Hawes and DJ Augustin
     
  9. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Augustin would be a massive liablility on defense; as bad or worse than Mo.
     
  10. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I don't like Augistin. I think we could find a better point guard to come off the bench. I really like Chalmers, but he made 4 million last year and I don't see him leaving Miami.
     
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    Are some of you under the idea that Wes needs to be moved?
     
  12. Schilly

    Schilly Well-Known Member

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    I'm not at all, just trying to please the people who seem to think we need a major overhaul to take the next step.
     
  13. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I like Wes a lot, but he's so streaky, and with Batum being inconsistent about when he scores I think we need another consistent scorer in the starting lineup. Someone like Deng would be great. We ran into a lot of trouble this season when both Nic and Wes were off. Plus, they're both prone to taking wild shots. I really want a stable scorer in the starting lineup. Someone has to be moved and I think Nic is too important to our offense.
     
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    That is actually a pretty interesting idea for both teams. Waiters played well towards the end of the season. But Wes would give them the veteran leadership they need.

    We could play Nic and Deng together with Damian and LA and ROLO. I think this is very intriguing

    Except can you include Deng in a sign and trade with other players?
     
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    Wes fits with the team like a glove. And while I agree with the idea the team could use another scorer in the lineup. When Nic decides he is going to coast. I don't know if it should be at the cost of one part of the heart of the team. I like Wes in a bench role. A role Mo served last year. If you could get Deng using CJ and parts, I think that helps the team more. I know you need money to make that happen. Which CJ doesn't have. Unless you can cap space to soak up a contract.
     
  16. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Nobody thinks Wes can play off the bench. He isn't accustomed to that role, even though that's what he was originally signed to do.
     
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    I don't think he can be the "go to" guy off the bench, but if they sub him in early enough so he plays with the starters as well as the bench players, it would work. But I think he would need to slide to the 3 spot with the 2nd unit so someone like CJ could play SG.
     
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    If there has to be an odd man out in the group. Why not Nic?

    What do you think his trade value is?
     
  19. Schilly

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    To me this is very simple... I get that we aren't great defensively, but Wes and Nic both can be very good defensively, Robin is ok, and Lamarcus is actually pretty dang good. As a Team we are middle of the pack at 16th with a Defensive rating of 104.7 pts per 100 possesions, by comparison the Heat are rated at 102.9 per 100 and rank 11th. We rank 4th for offensive rating.

    Our starters were the highest scoring starting lineup in the league. To be fair our starters also played the most number of minutes of any starting lineup. Our Bench was the least productive bench in the league.

    In a Nutshell our Defense isn't our biggest weakness, it's our bench.

    Interesting Stat that came from this. If you look at the 4 teams in the conference finals, this is how they rank in terms of bench minutes played. Spurs #1, Thunder #3, Heat #8, Pacers #23. Now you might be thinking, well that's because their starters blow out the opponents and can coast more, but out Net rating (ORTG VS DRTG), which is based on scoring per possession total points, has us ranked 8th with a +5.6. Again by comparison, Heat #3 (+7.8), Pacers and Spurs #4 (+7.2), Thunder #7 (+6.4)
     
  20. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Why would you trade Nic? The guy who nearly had a triple double? Wes had a pretty shitty post season.
     

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