Sorry. Let me rephrase: Why would New Orleans do it, I meant. I obviously know why the Warriors would do it.
I kinda have to agree with WFS93. If I'm the Hornets, I don't want Fisher's contract or Foyle's contract unless it's friendlier. And I certainly wouldn't want to give up one-time allstar Jamal Magloire for the combination of the two.
I pointed out some reasons. Also they could go and draft Marvin Williams and start Fisher or whichever FA PG stays. Can you make a fair Magloire trade CR2? I like most of your trades and most of them are fair.
No, because most of the proposed trades aren't fair when it comes to Magloire, the guy we're trading for. Fisher and Foyle have the biggest contracts to make things match up, but New Orleans does not want them because it's an unfair trade. So therefore I think the whole scenario is undoable if it's going to be unfair all the time and go against what the Hornets are trying to do this offseason, which is develop talent, and maintain room for signing free agents or their own players. If Foyle and Fisher were players they could project as starting players, I could see them doing it, but neither are better than what Jamal Magloire brings as a whole. Therefore if I'm the Hornets, and I want somebody better than 10 boards, 14 pts a game, 1.7 blocked shots, post presence, defensive presence, there's no way in hell I'm pulling the trigger on that trade. I'd want Murphy, this year's draft pick and maybe a future pick and maybe Mike Dunleavy. Big men who average double doubles with low post footwork, defensive capabilities are a rare commodity. I doubt New Orleans would even think of trading away Jamal Magloire for crap. So again I ask, Why does New Orleans trade Jamal Magloire? If it's for Rodney White, Derek Fisher, and Adonal Foyle, that's just utter crap if I'm New Orleans.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">No, because most of the proposed trades aren't fair when it comes to Magloire, the guy we're trading for. Fisher and Foyle have the biggest contracts to make things match up, but New Orleans does not want them because it's an unfair trade. So therefore I think the whole scenario is undoable if it's going to be unfair all the time and go against what the Hornets are trying to do this offseason, which is develop talent, and maintain room for signing free agents or their own players. If Foyle and Fisher were players they could project as starting players, I could see them doing it, but neither are better than what Jamal Magloire brings as a whole. Therefore if I'm the Hornets, and I want somebody better than 10 boards, 14 pts a game, 1.7 blocked shots, post presence, defensive presence, there's no way in hell I'm pulling the trigger on that trade. I'd want Murphy, this year's draft pick and maybe a future pick and maybe Mike Dunleavy. Big men who average double doubles with low post footwork, defensive capabilities are a rare commodity. I doubt New Orleans would even think of trading away Jamal Magloire for crap. So again I ask, Why does New Orleans trade Jamal Magloire? If it's for Rodney White, Derek Fisher, and Adonal Foyle, that's just utter crap if I'm New Orleans.</div> Okay you win. Truce. But in my dreams I think of Magloire being a Warrior. Maybe when he's a FA....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting J-Rich23:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay you win. Truce. But in my dreams I think of Magloire being a Warrior. Maybe when he's a FA....</div> Okay then It's all good. Just trying to challenge you, man, not pick arguments because I dislike you or nothing.
So Jrich23, who do you think is the next solid big man after Jamaal Magloire, that is worth doing a scenario about? Most likely they'll be from a team that doesn't get the ball to the big guy or it's some losing team. Wizards might be a place to look and who else, you think?
I really dont think we need a center. Foyle probably wont be moved unless we get a similar contract back. He can start for another season or half-season and then we will have Biedrins starting and Foyle coming off the bench. Foyle/Biedrins will be pretty good at center for a few years and once Foyle is too old to be productive his contract will be expiring. Oh, and we would have to distribute the ball between Baron, J-Rich, Dun, Murphy, Pietrus, Zarko, and Magloire.(not to mention guys who dont demand the ball) Also Fisher is pretty desirable by many teams. Cleveland would like him, Toronto would take him if they get rid of Alston, Memphis would probably take him if they got rid of Williams and Watson didn't come back, Lakers probably want him, Houston needs a pure PG, there are probably others too. Also, NO might not want to get another all-star stolen from them by the same team. That would remind me of us giving Dampier and Jamison to Dallas and getting basically nothing in the long-term. (I want Swift this offseason )
It's not the matter of whether we need a center or not, because it's simply extremely hard to upgrade center position, so whether we like it or not, we are stuck with what we have. That's why I was very angry when we dumped Dampier and why I won't consider trading Foyle. Without a price tag, many teams would love to have Fisher as a back up PG. With 6 mils price tag, it would be very hard to dump his contract. Last year, we were in a bidding war with Houston, who had zero PG on their roster, and we outbid Houston for Fisher, meaning even though Houston needed PG in worst way, they didn't think he was worth 6 mils/6 years. Not many teams will give a real value for Fisher, and since next season is very crucial for us, I don't think we will dump Fisher for garbage either...
I don't think Derek Fisher was ever a pure point guard, Run BJM, but I like your ideas of where we could send him. I think Cleveland is ideal. They need a winning attitude and some good veterans.
Yeah, trading Fisher is a harder sell than you think purely from a business perspective, as Kwan pointed out. He's a serviceable PG, but a team would rather take a risk on an undrafted rookie than take Fisher in many cases. Foyle is even worse off - he's BYC and he's pretty much untradeable. He's got about a 0.0000001% chance of being traded - the only way is if someone dropped an anvil on a GM's head and then Mullin called right after. Even then, the GM would probably void the trade when he came to his senses.
He's BYC? I wasn't aware. I wasn't trying to say that he would be a saviour either, I'm just saying he has qualities that teams like Cleveland, who have some cap room, would be willing to overpay for.
I figure Cleveland would do it just to bring talent, shooting, defense and veteran presence on a team that lacked it. It doesn't matter if he's not a pure point guard because they can always add another point guard later when the FA market is better. I know this year's FA point guards are kind of bad. Also Cleveland doesn't have much to offer other than Drew Gooden or Big Z sign and trade. Anybody interested in Luke Jackson?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">So Jrich23, who do you think is the next solid big man after Jamaal Magloire, that is worth doing a scenario about? Most likely they'll be from a team that doesn't get the ball to the big guy or it's some losing team. Wizards might be a place to look and who else, you think?</div> My next big man is Sammy Damblert. He is young, has a good game and would excel with B-Diddy getting him passes down low
I think we could probably dump Fisher to the Cavs for Snow and a 2nd rounder, if we really wanted. Snow's got a few more years on his contract and didn't work out with LeBron very well, and Fisher can be the same type of player he was with Kobe - not having to control the ball all the time.
I say Swift (did anyone see the behind the back dribble in the paint followed by the slam on Marion tonight?) He is fast, athletic, blocks shots, runs the floor, posts up, plays D, rebounds. He does everything good (though nothing great) and is still pretty young. This is Warriorfansnc93's second chance to get Kenyon!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">I think we could probably dump Fisher to the Cavs for Snow and a 2nd rounder, if we really wanted. Snow's got a few more years on his contract and didn't work out with LeBron very well, and Fisher can be the same type of player he was with Kobe - not having to control the ball all the time.</div> Cavs have absolutley no picks this year. I guess it could be future second rounder.
Andris Biedrins is already sort of like Dalembert, so it depends on how much Dalembert costs. Who has low post game? Swift looks all right, but is he the projected future or starter for our team? Some think he's a starter. He is an RFA so he's either sign and trade or some team with cap is going to sign him straight up.
I think he should be a starter for us. Had he not been playing behind Pau he would already be a starter. Could we get him for the MLE? How about MLE + Trade Exception to MEMphis for him?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Zhone:</div><div class="quote_post">I think we could probably dump Fisher to the Cavs for Snow and a 2nd rounder, if we really wanted. Snow's got a few more years on his contract and didn't work out with LeBron very well, and Fisher can be the same type of player he was with Kobe - not having to control the ball all the time.</div> I dunno, Snow is actually a little bit older than Derek Fisher and his contract only ends one year less than Fisher's. I'd rather have Fisher. Baron/Fisher/Jrich 3-guard lineup isn't that bad.
