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  1. Hoopguru

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    should the Astro players be suspended and/or the Series stripped from them?

    Having played ball for years stealing signs was part of the game. Just not using tech that was used in this case.

    I would favor both.
     
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    I say both. And anyone that was caught using steroids should be banned from the hall of fame.
     
  3. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Stealing signs the way you and I used them is fine because each team has the same opportunity to do so. But what the Asstros did was completely different because their opponents were not afforded he same luxury of having electronic devices.

    I don't think they should have to forfeit their title because even though what they did was flat out wrong, there's no way to prove or disprove that the games/series would have turned out differently. And I say this even though I'm a Yanx fan.

    The organization as well as Houston players will have to own/wear this for quite some time and justifiably so. I also think you'll see a lot of the players hit by pitches this year, and every time one does get hit they will wonder if it was a purpose pitch or not. You'll also likely see a lot of pitchers ejected/warned for doing so.
     
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    No, the title should not be taken away. It’s tainted, sure, but it’s part of the history of the game.

    How do we know other teams were not partaking in similar actions?

    I love the salty tears of the Dodgers, though. They’re pissed, but even then, they couldn’t hit the damn ball that WS.

    The Bums hit .205 over 7 games, and were even more horrendous with runners on-base, and even more so with runners in scoring position.
     
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    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    define your definition of “caught” doing steroids.
     
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    All I can say is that after these debacles with PED's and sign stealing by using technology....THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY PETE ROSE SHOULD BE BARRED FROM THE HALL OF FAME! Fucking MLB even has financial interests in gaming sites now! I get SO MAD when I think about this. Of course it doesn't help that Pete Rose was my favorite player when I grew up outside of Dayton, Ohio. :(
     
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    Suspensions. I know they all did it. Well... except for Griffey.
     
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    I think it sets a bad example for teams to follow. .The just learned they can cheat there way to a championship and as a player there is no repercussion. The manager and GM sure they are get fired, but do you think the players really care. At what point do we hold the players accountable. Astros and Red sox both were guilty of this, and what stops the next team from trying it? Title should be forfeited, players should be suspended or fined but looking the other way and the next scandal will be worse.
     
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    If Rose ever gets to the HOF it will likely be posthumously and that's the way I think it should be. Every player in MLB his well aware of the rules/penalty of betting on Baseball. Rose was aware of them and decided to do it anyway.
    But nearly as bad as his offense was, he staunchly lied about it for years before finally admitting it which ended up embarrassing fans and teammates for defending him. That also goes into the voters' minds...if he had come clean right away, things might be different.

    FWIW, known PED users aren't in the HOF either. And I'd imagine any of the Astros players
     
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    Big Fucking Deal! Pete played the game the right way. He went full throttle 100% of the time. MLB is full of hypocrites.
     
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    Well, again, Rose willfully broke a sacred Baseball rule...and then lied about it for years. The ONLY reason he finally confessed was he wanted to be reinstated with hope of going into the HOF.

    And people from Cincy/Ohio are not the only ones who vote. Also IMO, Rose does't get in before Joe Jackson gets in.
     
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    Baseball purists are a group I'm not sure I'll ever understand when it comes to their game.
     
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    Ive always thought the ownership group of MLB were behind the times and didn't want to improve the marketing of the game.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    From a baseball purity standpoint, every World Series champion after the DH was instituted is illegitimate (even the NL teams, since they use a DH in the AL parks).
     
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    Was never a proponent of the DH...still not.
     
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    Fuck baseball's "sacred rules"! They're hypocrites! I'm fine with letting Shoeless Joe in as well. He hit .375 in the World Series and then got banned for throwing the games. WTF?!
     
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    No on taking away the title, there is no way to know that the Astros wouldn't have won anyway. On that note, Dodgers bitching and moaning is pretty funny, especially Bellinger who set a series record with 17 strikeouts. As for suspensions, in a perfect world yes, but that was never going to stand up in arbitration. Luhnow basically admitted that the memo from MLB on the new standards never made it to his players. Maybe this was him diving on the sword, hoping to save his job and players or maybe it's the God honest truth, we'll never know. Manfred's hands were tied according to a recent Athletic article. Personally I think most teams and players are cheating in baseball, doesn't make what the Astros did right but I also don't think it's the end of the world either. Red Sox should be punished for 2018, Dodgers have already been accused by two teams of similar cheating. Hell 'Black' Jack McDowell came out and said the White Sox were doing something similar in the 80's. None of this is new, Astros just stupidly got caught!
     
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    Unfortunately, all 3 major sports I grew up playing are tainted. I really don't care about their all star games and the HOF for each sport (MLB, NBA, NFL).

    I watch the games for entertainment value only.

    Sports organizations would crack down hard on offenders (those who cheat) if they are truly serious about maintaining a clean, sportsman like image.
     
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    I understand your passion for Rose, but are you saying you're in favor of allowing Baseball players to bet on games?
     
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    As long as they bet on their own team (like Rose did) I have no problem with it.
     

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