One thing I have never understood about Paul's money

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  1. Cippy91

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    Okay so him dealing out toxic contracts to turner and Meyers is inaccurate? You’re the one believing the snake oil salesmen. Ever since lamarcus left, he has talked about assets. Explain to me what assets we have to make this team better in future trades. Gonna let Napier walk? Gotta re sign Davis and nurk. Okay then what? Dame asked for help for a reason, it’s not hard to see this roster is mediocre and needs upgrades
     
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    Correct At the time they were within the norm. And again, he was banking on continued development. I already addressed this.

    As far as assets, Assets take time to become assets. Nm...

    I'm not gonna convince you to be realistic about the options he had at the time.

    Your another armchair quarterback.
    No realistic answers for what he should have done, but still say he should have done something else.

    Sorry this topic with you is not worth my time.

    I don't beleive NO, He may not be the right guy. Im just being realistic with the limited options he had when LMA left.
     
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm not sure why Neil is the only guy to get blame around here. I have seen coaches do more with less.

    The Tennessee Titans recently fired their coach, despite making the playoffs for the first time in a long time. He was well liked, and the team had good success with him as the coach, but he wasn't running an offense that played to the strengths of his QB. He refused to replace his offensive coordinator, so the team is starting over with an entirely new coaching staff.

    I don't think there's anyone on here who thinks Terry is the best coach in the league. So my point is simply, why can't Paul use his huge pocketbook to throw an offer that can't be refused at one of the top coaches?
     
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    [QUOTE="Natebishop3, post: 4367378, member: 20927"]I'm not sure why Neil is the only guy to get blame around here. I have seen coaches do more with less.

    The Tennessee Titans recently fired their coach, despite making the playoffs for the first time in a long time. He was well liked, and the team had good success with him as the coach, but he wasn't running an offense that played to the strengths of his QB. He refused to replace his offensive coordinator, so the team is starting over with an entirely new coaching staff.

    I don't think there's anyone on here who thinks Terry is the best coach in the league. So my point is simply, why can't Paul use his huge pocketbook to throw an offer that can't be refused at one of the top coaches?[/QUOTE]

    Easy answer.

    Armchair quarterbacks not being realistic with the options Neil has had.

    I find it funny most of the people who bitch about not being able to get stars here are also the ones that bitch that NO should have gotten some stars here...

    LMAO!!!!
     
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    Agree with this, except with the notion that he's "an offense guy through and through". His offense STINKS! And you even alluded to this when you talk about how he has his bigs playing out at the 3-point line. Beyond not knowing how to use bigs properly, he doesn't know how to use more than 2 players in an offensive set. Our offense is either a 1-man game or a 2-man game with a bail-out option at the 3-point line.
     
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    Because there are really only two "top coaches", and neither of them would leave their current situation.
    But yes, we should be trying to get a 2nd tier coach. Or maybe try out some new coaches rather than recycling the same garbage.
     
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    That's not how it works or even remotely possible.
     
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    Neil and Terry have both been here 6 years and they've only legitimately made it out of the first round once, I'm not sure why people are so against them going in a different direction. I mean yeah, this era is probably better than when they had Juan Dixon and Ha Seung Jin, but I'd like for them to aim hire than what they seem to be. It just feels like Mark Helfrich at this point.
     
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    Why are you getting argumentative about it? I mean this is a forum where people have different opinions and question others, etc, right? NOBODY wanted Meyers signed. Everybody was done with him. At the time I agreed with the Harkless signing and I think most people wanted to feel optimistic about the Turner signing but everybody knew that was a lot of fucking money for that guy. With Moes recent play, he is kind of an asset but he is so inconsistent, who knows what we could flip him for. Zach Collins is the only promising asset we have. It will take another couple years for him to develop into something special I believe but that's a guy you want to keep if he ends up being what they think he will be. I completely believe the Evan Turner signing was a panic sign. I mean thank god that Parsons didn't sign with us though. That would of been worse. Whiteside would of been the win but didn't happen. I forget what other free agents were available at that time but there were definitely ways of dividing that money we gave to Turner to sign multiple players who could actually be worth something right now. I think Neil did a good job when LMA left. The Nurkic trade was good. That summer of signings changed everything though
     
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    Stevens has an HOF GM in Ainge that gets players that fit his system. No one thought he would leave Butler and I do not see him leaving Boston for even 20M a year. As someone else said, it is his dream job.
     
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    West was previously the GM of the Memphis Grizzlies. That's very small market.
     
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    He won't be going back there now...
     
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    I look at coaches that have success, not just in the NBA, but in other pro leagues as well. They adapt, they know their opponents inside and out. They're able to make adjustments. They have an exceptional coaching staff surrounding them. They build a culture of winning.

    Pop
    PhilJax
    Bill Belichik

    To be fair, those guys all had a generational talent on their teams (Brady/Duncan/Jordan). So maybe we should be looking for a guy like Larry Brown (Pacers/Pistons) or Doug Pederson.
     
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    What I meant by "he's an offense guy through and through," is that's the only element he seems to consider in his system. I didn't say he was good there either.
     
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    Ha! Fair enough!
     
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    Yeah its time
     
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    1st bolded part of your statement: This is not true. IF Nurk goes down, who do we have to back him up? Back when he was signed it was Plumlee and we were in the same boat. A 7' who can shoot threes is valuable in this league, so there were many who wanted him signed, maybe just not for as much as he got.

    I do believe that Meyers is probably NO's biggest mistake. Meyers bet on himself and lost and NO paid him like he tied or won. Doesn't change the fact that we were still in need of a backup big and one who shoots threes, would fit well into this team.

    So your first bolded statement is not true. I bought is damned Jersey. I wanted him signed.

    ........................................

    2nd bolded statement: I disagree with this. Turner, again shouldn't have got quite the money he should have, but we needed a third solid ball handler and with Boston, he showed he would be more than serviceable with this team. I still think he could, if it were the right price. So again, Olshey overpaid, but lets say he signed him for a bit more friendly 12 mill per. That would have left 6 mill. Until you tell me who we could have got that would have been worth a squat in that year for 6 mill, there is no substance to your argument.

    The summer of signings did change everything and not just for us, yet some people think we were the only team to over payplayers....

    Ill help you out and toss some names and contracts out there that were signed by other teams in 2016....

    5 years @ 120mill for Batum.....currently putting up 12/4/5 on 32 min per

    4 years 38 mill for Delladova..... 5/2/4 in 18 min per

    4 years 48 mill for Solomon Hill....not playing this year... out of the league? last year had 7/4/2 in 30 minutes

    1 year 15 mill for Jeff Green.....11/3/3 in 22

    3 years 23 mill for Darell Arthur...3/1/1 in 20

    3 years 30 mill for JAred Dudley....3/2/2 in 14

    4 years 72 mill for Joakim Noah.....2/2/1 in 6

    4 years 70 mill for Bazemore.....13/4/4 in 28

    4 years 80 mill for Ryan Anderson....10/5/1 in 28

    4 years 54 mill for Marvin Williams.....10/5/1 in 26

    2 years 16 mill for Anthony Tolliver.....8/3/1 in 21

    3 years 35 mill for Austin Rivers.....16/2/4 in 33

    3 years 24 mill for Garrett Temple.....8/3/2 in 25


    Follow so far? Now lets look at Turner since he is the foundation of the ridicule with his contract.

    8/3/2 in 26. 4 years 70 mill

    These are all stats for this year.

    Now lets look at who else was signed near his salary...

    Batum almost double the salary, at only 50% the production increase.

    Ryan anderson is a little richer but his stats are virtually the same if you look at a per 36.

    Joakim Noah is the true albatros in the group. Bazemore, for that type of money, seems to be having the best production of the group, but isn't blowing anyone away.


    You mentioned splitting the money up amongst several players s0 i listed some smaller contracts as well. Take your pick that would add up to Turners Salary and tell me it makes us better.
    If not, settle down with the NO hate please...

    NO thought Turner would be a little better than he has been. He looked good in Boston. He hasn't looked good here. fair enough. He will still be an expiring soon and valuable.

    People saying NO did nothing is ludicrous and just plain wrong. He took swings and hit some balls and missed some balls, as ALL PLAYERS DO.
    He took a path and tried to make it work. Player improvement impeded some of that and the cap coming back down impeded some of that.

    Patience is suuuch an underrated virtue.
     
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    Bullshit. Because of injuries? Then the Warriors haven't won a legitimate championship once, except maybe back in the 70s. Injuries are a part of the game and we beat the Clippers fair and square.
     
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    I'm always amazed at the stupidity of those who have no money
     
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