Optimistic: Nolan Smith

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  1. jlprk

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    Was there a player available at #21 that you wouldn't be skeptical about drafting?
     
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    Oh no! Not the SI rank! Smith is doomed to have a terrible career - SI numerical rating system says so!
     
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    I wouldn't have viewed anyone selected there (or any other pick) as a guarantee, but I'd have been significantly more comfortable with Faried (since I viewed him as both BPA and a major need) or a higher upside risk pick like Nikola Mirotic.
     
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    Just for shits and giggles, let's compare measurements for Brandon Knight and Nolan Smith (and throw in Jarrett Jack and Deron Williams):

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    Name	Height	w/shoes	Wgt	Wingspan	Reach		Fat	No Step	Max Vert	Bench 	Agility	3/4 Court Sprint	
    Smith	6' 1.5"	6' 3.5"	188	6' 5.5"		8' 3"		5.6	28.5	34.0		9	11.05	3.17	
    Knight	6' 1.5"	6' 3.25	177	6' 6.75"	8' 2.5"		4.2	29.0	37.5		10	10.74	3.07
    Jack	6' 2.5"	6' 3.5"	198	6' 7.5"		8' 4"		NA	26.0	28.5		5	10.87	3.24
    Deron	6' 1.75	6' 2.75	202	6' 6.25"	8' 2"		NA	30.0	35.0		15	10.83	3.25	
    
    (Shoes were thinner when Jack and Deron were in college.)
    Now let's compare some stats for their last years in college:

    Code:
    Name	GP	Min	Pts	FG	FGA	FG%	2Pt	2PtA	2P%	3Pt	3PtA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	Off	Def	TOT	Asts	Stls	Blks	TOs	PFs
    Smith	37	34.0	20.6	7.0	15.4	45.8	5.5	10.9	50.1	1.5	4.4	35.0	5.1	6.2	81.3	1.2	3.3	4.5	5.1	1.2	0.1	3.2	1.9
    Knight	38	35.9	17.3	5.7	13.5	42.3	3.4	7.4	46.1	2.3	6.1	37.7	3.6	4.5	79.5	0.7	3.4	4.0	4.2	0.7	0.2	3.2	2.2
    Jack	32	34.1	15.5	5.1	10.0	51.4	3.7	6.7	54.9	1.4	3.3	44.2	3.8	4.4	86.6	0.3	4.6	4.8	4.5	1.8	0.1	3.4	1.7
    Deron	39	33.7	14.9	5.4	12.5	43.3	3.3	6.8	49.1	2.1	5.7	36.4	2.0	2.9	67.7	0.4	3.9	4.3	8.0	1.2	0.2	3.3	2.4
    
    What does this prove? Nothing! It was just for shits and giggles. (And of course Brandon Knight was just a freshman.)
    BUT: it is interesting that Smith shot the most free throws.
     
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    If he has a Jarret Jack like career I'll assume he reached his potential.
     
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    If potential is measured by comparing last-year-in-college-stats (remembering that Jack was probably about the same age as Smith), Smith should be a better scorer, draw more fouls and have a better assist to turnover ratio. But be a worse three point shooter.
     
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    While we're being optimistic, this guy looks a lot like Smith did in college:

    [video=youtube;eOFjRnPIdi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOFjRnPIdi8[/video]
     
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    All these posts are arguing whether Smith will be a good guard. But we have guards.

    What about the criticism that we were hurting in every game last season because we needed rebounders, not guards, and the leading rebounder in NCAA history was grabbed with the very next pick?

    As I said all season, Juwan Howard would have greatly helped us. So now here's our lucky draft opportunity, and we turn it down.
     
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    at this point, all Blazers fans should hope that he is better than advertised....

    I don't think POR was hurting in rebounding last year as much as they were in scoring.....particularly bench scoring...I mean there were times watching this team flail at trying to score was downright painful to watch....
     
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    Nolan Smith is not advertised as an above-average shooter. But we could have had the top NCAA rebounder in history.
     
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    Well, let's start advertising then. I believe that Shooter is in advertising, and, given his name, he's uniquely qualified for this job.

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    Browsing some of the larger Duke basketball forums apparently Coach K said he's talked to teams that were serious about taking him in the early teens.
     
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    My granny used to say, "Sonny, talk is cheap and action counts but it's all we can afford."
     
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    Toronto were outrebounded a lot last season. And yet, on their roster they had Reggie Evans, who has a better rebound/48 rate than Kevin Love. (And also Joey Dorsey who is close.) Why didn't they play them? I'm guessing because they can't do anything else. Pops Mensa-Bonsu is probably a good comparison for Faried, and he can't hold an NBA job.
     
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    Or maybe because the coach was bad?

    I'm not sure which it is, but I DO know that the coach got shit-canned.

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    I watched Evans his first 3 years, when his coach was Nate McMillan. A great rebounder, he tried to become a good defender, thug variety since he lacked quickness. He just fouled a lot.

    A greater rebounder, Faried won the Defensive Player of the Year. So he has two great abilities, not one like the undrafted Evans.
     
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    What point is it talking about Faried now? POR isn't getting him, I agree with you I think they should have got him and then used the #26 to get Smith....

    but they did not, at this point Smith is on the team, I don't have much hope for him, but at this point I hope he proves everyone wrong and becomes one of the better PG from this draft and (hopefully) a starting level PG...

    wishful thinking? yeah, definitely...but not much else to do at this point...

    After the last 2 drafts, I really have to question Chad Buchanan's talent evaluation....If none of them step forward this year, I can't believe Allen or his cronies wouldn't hold him accountable and look for someone else to evaluate talent come a potentially rich 2012 draft class....
     
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    He reminds me of Ben Uzoh - New Jersey Nets. Athletic with nice size, combo guard, not outstanding in any one area but no questions about work ethic.

    It's a great video, but I'm having trouble getting excited about him.
     
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    If the Blazers were going to pick a 4-year player, I'd rather have them draft the ACC Player of the Year over a 4-year guy from the Ohio Valley Conference.

    The 21st pick isn't worth getting too upset about, though, unless you're just looking for a reason to be upset.
     

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