Oregon approves bill - Faith healing no longer legally protected

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  1. BrianFromWA

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    I'm ok with protecting kids from whacky parents. I'm a bit skeptical, though, about the pressing need for this legislation. How many kids die each year b/c of faith-based non-healing, vs. from neglect, child abuse, malnutrition b/c of non-payment of child support, not getting vaccinations, etc.?

    If this legislation protects children, good. Can we shift, though, from an attack on people with good intentions doing what they believe in to people with bad intentions intentionally harming another.
     
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    Heh

    Pretty much. ;)
     
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    I'm against this bill. I believe we should allow natural selection to winnow the herd.

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    Those are all illegal also.

    As for how many have already died from the neglect of this particular church in Oregon City, Oregon, the "Followers of Christ"?

    According to a 1998 analysis by The Oregonian, at least 21 of the dozens of children buried since the 1950s in the Followers of Christ church cemetery south of Oregon City could have been saved by medical intervention. None of the deaths from that era resulted in prosecution.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/parents_indicted_in_faithheali.html

    "During the latter part of the twentieth century, the church began to attract attention from authorities in the state of Oregon due to an unusually high mortality rate among its children. Larry Lewman, a former medical examiner in the state, alleges that during a ten-year period twenty-five children perished due to the lack of medical intervention—a death rate 26 times higher than among the general population.[2] An investigation by The Oregonian claimed that at least 21 out of 78 minors found to be buried in the church cemetery died of preventable causes, including simple infections which would be easily treated with routine antibiotics.[3] The high death rate among church children attracted national media attention, including coverage of the church by Time magazine,[3] ABC News newsmagazine 20/20,[10] and the PBS program Religion & Ethics Newsweekly.[11]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Followers_of_Christ

    This cult of child-murderers has been an alarming disgrace for Oregon throughout most of my life, with nobody doing anything about it.
     
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    This makes no logical sense at all. Can you restate it.
     
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    I do not believe these people had "good" intentions. Their church is comprised of pathological narcissists (the men) and subservient cowards (the women), and of course the children they abuse, torture and murder.

    Most of these children suffered horribly for months, some for years from their untreated but very treatable diseases.

    Playing the "faith" card doesn't change or excuse or explain why they killed their children.

    There is no greater betrayal than a parent who betrays their child.

    They should rot in prison til they die.
     
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    I'm sorry if you can't understand it. Others have, and have commented on it. It's basically a reversal of current laws, but I won't bore you with the details.
     
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    Why would they have any basis for any lawsuit, unless you are suggesting malpractice by the doctor (who is not designated by law, but a choice made by the parent)?
     
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    I agree with this. I also believe that the idiots who had to be rescued at Gold Beach yesterday, after repeated tsunami warnings/evacs, should have been left alone to see if it was their time to leave the gene pool. Which leads me to this question. Why are we as a society forcing the children of people dumb enough to not believe in modern medicine into life-lengthening treatments? Are we sure we want the offspring of such people becoming a part of society?
     
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    Don't judge them by their parents, as intelligence often skips a generation.

    Also, one can learn much from simple observation when surrounded by idiots.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Human attributes tend to regress to the mean from one generation to the next. The child of two geniuses is overwhelmingly likely to be less intelligent than his/her parents. The child of two dummies is overwhelmingly likely to be smarter than his/her parents. That's why Hitler's attempts to create a "super race" by selective breeding was wrongheaded from a scientific perspective, in addition to moral issues.

    So yeah, I'd rather the child survived even if the parents were dangerously stupid.
     
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    That's nature, but nurture plays a role too.

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    It was wrongheaded because anyone knows the best way to create a super race would be to take 5 white guys and have them each breed with one white, black, asian, mexican and jewish woman and then inbreed the shit out of the remainder. duh
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Personally, I believe nurture plays a smaller role than is popularly imagined. At least, the part of "nurture" than involves the parenting. I think economic background and the environment the child grows up in makes a pretty big difference, but I think people overrate the role of parents in terms of the personality and mental/emotional attributes of the child. A very popular conception is that children are lumps of clay that parents mold, but I think parents by and large operate on the margins in terms of who the child is and becomes. Just my opinion.

    That is, of course, barring hugely damaging things like abuse and that sort of thing. But that's the type of thing laws like this seek to prevent. My opinion is mostly based on parents operating within the standards of society.
     
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    Which this Bill greatly improves on by protecting a child's right to medical care.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
     
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    Unfortunately, in this case the environment the kid grows up in is the crackpot church. I agree it isn't the parents alone - it's also the community they belong to.

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    fixed.

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