Politics Oregon assault weapons ban petitioners turn in signatures

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by SlyPokerDog, Mar 26, 2018.

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So if this law passes will you:

  1. Obey the law.

    60.0%
  2. Refuse to follow the law.

    20.0%
  3. Move to state that doesn't have laws like this.

    6.7%
  4. Protest.

    6.7%
  5. Thoughts and Prayers.

    33.3%
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  1. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Many.

    15 billion dollars of stolen gold, art, antiquities...

    Largest and oldest organized crime syndicate in the world.
     
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  2. riverman

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    I agree but think they're the second largest....the Chinese Triads are older and actually the pattern for Italian Mafia....Chinese triads have been around for tens of thousands of years.
     
  3. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Nope.

    Pope Francis likes machine guns not legal in America.

    Dressed to Kill
    Strangely, the seemingly historic blue, red and orange striped uniform of the Swiss Guard is a fairly recent creation. The regiment’s distinctive baggy tunic and trouser look was designed in 1914, although to be sure, the current outfit was inspired by the group’s original 16th century garb. The entire ensemble, each piece of which is custom tailored to fit its wearer, is topped by a large black beret or a Renaissance-style morian helmet.

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    While the Swiss Guard carries 16th Century halberds on the parade square, the unit has a fully equipped 21st Century arsenal. (Image source: WikiCommons)

    Tools of the Trade
    Almost as famous as the Swiss Guards’ colourful uniform are its notorious Medieval-era halberds. These fearsome seven-foot-long pole arms are topped with a combination steel axe-head, spear tip and billhook. First appearing in central Europe in the 14th Century, the halberd was commonly used on battlefields of the late Middle Ages as a stabbing and hacking weapon. In the hands of a skilled soldier, the halberd’s downward-curved rear blade could be used to get in behind the neck of an attacker, even one on horseback, deliver a lethal slash. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the guard added bolt-action rifles, like the German K98 Mauser, and early automatic pistols to the arsenal. Guardsmen later trained on SIG submachine guns. Today, the soldiers have access to an assortment of compact automatic weapons like the HK MP-5 and, as well as SIG assault rifles and Glock pistols.

    He's also got his own private police force with more fully automatic weapons.

    The Vatican’s Blue Line
    In addition to the Swiss Guard, Vatican City has its own police, known as the Gendarmerie Corps of Vatican City State. They help augment the Pontifical Swiss Guard during the Pope’s appearances, especially those in Saint Peters Square and abroad, as well as providing general security, traffic direction and investigative duties for the Vatican City State.

    This unit, which will be 200 years old in 2016, is roughly the same size as the Swiss Guard. The small but highly trained force includes a counter-assault team and a anti-sabotage unit which deals with explosive ordinance disposal (EOD). Think of them loosely as the Capitol Police while the Swiss Guard is like the Secret Service Protection Division, just on a much smaller level.

    The Gendarmerie Corps are equipped with a full range of modern weaponry, include Glock pistols and Heckler & Koch and Beretta sub-machineguns. Their tactical teams use Carbon 15 machine pistols and Heckler & Koch/FABARM shotguns.
     
  4. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Which kind can do the most damage?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    The Pope is a constant target of determined adversaries.

    I don't know about you but I would say that the overwhelming majority of Americans are no where near such targets. I know I'm going out on a limb but that's my final answer.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Weren't Gays on that list?
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    The only thing stopping a bad priest with a gun is a good pope with a gun?
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The lord shoots in mysterious ways.

    barfo
     
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  9. KingSpeed

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    That's bullshit. These kids that are shooting up classrooms aren't "criminals." They're just KIDS who are fucked up in the head and if it's EASY for them to get a gun, they may shoot themselves or others. Obviously, once they've committed the crime, they are criminals. But it's not like these are thugs or members of organized crime. These are people for whom it is too easy for them to get a gun.
     
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    Why do we care SO MUCH about what all these FOUNDING FATHERS thought??? Yes, they started our country but they aren't GOD and they shouldn't be worshipped as such! The Constitution isn't a Bible and the Second AMENDMENT is not a COMMANDMENT. The Constitution can be CHANGED. Fuck guns. I'm sick of people being shot up. The less guns the better.
     
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  11. KingSpeed

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    I don't know. Is it not? What are the numbers? And even if it's not working there yet, it doesn't mean we should just give up and say fuck it, sometimes children just get shot, deal with it.
     
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    I don't even understand why people have to "protect their home" with guns. I live in New York Fucking City and I don't own a gun and I'm fucking fine.
     
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  13. MarAzul

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    I can not recall ever hearing and American say anything nearly this fucked up. But then to cap it off with, I'm fucking fine.
    does put the final edge on just how far out, it is intend to be.
     
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  14. MarAzul

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    I live in small neighborhood, not part of any town or city near Bandon. We maintain our roads and have a Neighborhood Watch.
    If we need a Sheriff, it will likely be the next day, but it could be another before a deputy shows up.
    The residents come to the place from all over the country, well the world really. From States of; Arizona, California, Minnesota, Georgia, New York, Rhode Island, Washington. The Countries of UK, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Kenya, and Japan.

    I don't think KingSpeed's attitude and disrespect for this nation would acceptable to any of the residents in my neighborhood.
    Several would be appalled at the lack of understanding by an American, of the blessings including the rule of law, we have as Americans.
     
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    I think it's unfair to characterize any of KS's posts as "disrespect for this nation".
     
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    2. Baltimore, Maryland
    > Murder rate: 51.4 per 100,000
    > No. of murders: 318
    > Violent crime rate: 1,780.4 per 100,000
    > Population: 618,385

    There were 51 murders in Baltimore per 100,000 residents in 2016, the most of any city other than St. Louis and more than 10 times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans. Baltimore also has a high prevalence of robberies. There were 857 robberies per 100,000 Baltimore residents in 2016, the most of any U.S. city.

    Like many large metro areas, most of the gun violence in Baltimore is concentrated in the city’s poorest areas. According to a Baltimore Sun investigation, some 80% of gun-related homicides in Baltimore since 2011 have occurred in just 25% of the city’s neighborhoods


    3. Detroit, Michigan
    > Murder rate: 45.2 per 100,000
    > No. of murders: 303
    > Violent crime rate: 2,046.5 per 100,000
    > Population: 669,673

    Detroit is one of the several major metropolitan areas that largely contributed to the increase in violent crime nationwide last year. As the number of violent crimes in Detroit rose 15.7% from 2015 to 2016 — far more than the 4.1% national increase and one of the sharpest spikes of any U.S. city — Detroit surpassed St. Louis as the most dangerous city in America. There are 2,047 violent crimes for every 100,000 Detroit residents, the most of any city and far more than the national rate of 386 violent crimes per 100,000 Americans. The increase was partially driven by a rise in homicide. There were 303 murders in Detroit in 2016, eight more than the year prior and the third most of any city when adjusted for population.

    5. Newark, New Jersey
    > Murder rate: 35.5 per 100,000
    > No. of murders: 100
    > Violent crime rate: 936.9 per 100,000
    > Population: 281,450

    There were 36 murders per 100,000 Newark residents in 2016, nearly three times as many as any other city in New Jersey and the fifth most of any U.S. metro areas. While the relationship is complex, crime is often highest in cities with limited economic opportunity. In Newark, 7.9% of the workforce is unemployed, and 29.7% of residents live in poverty — far higher than the respective 4.9% and 15.5% national rates.

    Like most large cities, much of Newark’s violent crime is concentrated in its poorest areas. According to a 2016 report by the Safer Newark Council, most violent crime in Newark occurs on just 20% of city streets, primarily in the city’s West and South Wards. The report also found that a vast majority of homicide in the city — approximately 75% — is gang or drug related.

    12. Chicago, Illinois
    > Murder rate: 28.1 per 100,000
    > No. of murders: 765
    > Violent crime rate: 1,105.5 per 100,000
    > Population: 2,725,153

    No city contributed more to the increase in the national homicide rate last year than Chicago. There were 287 more murders in Chicago in 2016 than there were in 2015, a 60% increase. In total, the city’s homicide rate of 29 murders per 100,000 residents last year was nearly six times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans.

    Chicago’s spiraling crime rate has prompted analysis from sociologists and other experts, yet there is little consensus as to what is causing the spike in violence. One factor contributing to the high homicide rate in Chicago is gun violence. While the homicide rate in Chicago when guns are not involved is roughly similar to the rate in similar cities like New York, the city’s firearm-related homicide rate is one of the highest in the country. Chicago currently has more lenient firearm sentencing laws than New York. Illegal gun possession carries a one-year minimum sentence in Chicago, compared to 3.5 years in New York.



    Just a few of the obvious places that have had strict gun laws over a long time. Not a matter of needing more time, they are failed policies
     
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    One of the outstanding things about this Nation is it's Constitution and the codified rights we have as individuals in the Bill rights.
    When you disrespect that then I see it as disrespecting the nation. Every man (person) the enters the Service takes and oath
    to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Kingspeed's words and opinion would not let him do this without it just being a lie. Now I don't mind if you disagree with me, but if as an American, you can not take the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, that many men have done and died in the effort, then you do disrespect the Nation and all those that have served her. My opinion.

    You may wish to change the Constitution, the amendment process is there for that purpose, but to preach disregard for it, is disrespect.
     
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    I suggest you see my Pryor response, even where there are very strict gun policies, those that wish to commit crime, do so. Sorry, Eric, it is not bullshit.
     
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    Except he didn't preach disregard; he simply said that it's not a commandment and could be changed. Sounds right in line with what you're saying.
     
  20. MarAzul

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    Seems like the use god and commandments, is preaching disregard to me. If he means what you suggest, then let him say so.
    If he feels he could take the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and define a change he would support, let his say so.
    I would be pleased to support his right to advocate for the change. An apology could be made easily with the clarity. Of course the rest of the statement would remain true.
     

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