Oregon Ducks 2023!

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    what I've been told by someone who would know:

    * 'Oregon might be in the top-10 in NIL spending; but also might not. Several SEC teams and the Florida schools likely spend more. So do 2 or 3 Big-10 teams. Oregon could be the biggest spender on the west coast, but USC spends just about as much (contrary to their claims) and Colorado spends more in the portal, or at least did last year. And that Oregon has a budget, makes an offer, and is not inclined to go over their number or to haggle with players, agents, or families'

    * 'Phil Knight is still rather reluctant to get fully involved in NIL because he believes he'd have to get into auctions for the same players, the following year. He's not real fond of NIL or the transfer portal but he understands the realities'

    * 'a lot of the numbers you hear thrown around about NIL deals made by Oregon are bullshit. A toxic combination of sour grapes and wild exaggeration.'
     
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    That’s not what I said.

    I said a couple ACC schools were higher on the pecking order than Oregon / Wash.

    I also said that Notre Dame was the #1 priority and they could demand Stanford or GA Tech if I recall.

    And - as a reminder - that was before the Pac12 blew up.

    I think it has been “leaked” since then that the B1G was going to look East before it looked West.

    And finally, no. But this person would know for sure… considering they represent the NIL dealings for a not-insignificant number of significant players.
     
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    Jordan Seaton is milking this for all it’s worth lol
     
  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Not a kid I would want. He will transfer in a year.
     
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    I've heard similar things from someone connected to Division Street.

    Also, Phil and Division Street do not want him contributing 50% or more of the money in the collective because they believe it would subject them to scrutiny about the "collective" actually being a collective. They believe the University of Miami is going to potentially be in hot water for this reason.
     
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    I don't know if that statement is true, but I'll take your word for it.

    But lets dig into your statement a little more... Some told you three schools are throwing around "crazy money". What exactly is "crazy money"? How does it differ from the University of Miami, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St, Michigan, Florida, Florida St, etc?

    I'd argue the whole thing is kinda "crazy". I'd also assume if a collective who has less resources than the top 3-5 schools is recklessly spending money, that means they'll fall even further behind because those top schools would be getting way better value. Oregon finished top 5 with 25 recruits and no composit 5*. Oregon's class looks very different from Ole Miss and Missouri whom one might assume may have spent more money for fewer, but higher rated prospects.

    Who knows though. My source has no real reason to lie to me but even I wonder if they want a specific narrative out there.
     
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    kjironman1 Well-Known Member

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    Can you really argue with this?
     
  8. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    As many others stated in the comments, is that really any different than what it was before it was "allowed"?
     
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    Yes. Yes it is. Not saying it isn’t a better deal for players and maybe even families of players. There is no question it’s different though. In the past players lost scholarships and even awards. Schools lost eligibility and were sanctioned.
    Yes it’s very different.
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    I would have ended with: "Is that the best you can do?"
     
  11. MickZagger

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    it’s just publicized now. Always been going on. Now schools don’t have to deal with the charades of it all. To believe it’s not always been a money grab like this is to be naive,
     
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    Reggie Bush might disagree with you. Pete Carrol also.
     
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    I can. I think it is a lazy and ignorant statement by Fentress. Sure some teams might have jumped into the conversation because they bought players. Texas A&M did a couple of years ago...and it didn't work out well. But if you look at the top recruiting classes you will see coaches who have won (GA-AL) and ergo players want to play for them, or coaches who are relentless recruiters. (i.e Lanning and Mario)

    Baylor has a shit load of money yet they ranked 67th this year in recruiting? Why is that?
     
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    interesting

    I heard that PK has kicked in around 30%, at most (less than 1/3rd was what I was told). I wasn't aware there might be any legal constraints/concerns restricting his contribution. As I said, I was told that he really doesn't like the portal or NIL much, and that might inhibit his contributions more than anything. And, that he prefers long term investing in the UofO; obviously, facilities are at the top of that list. I'm assuming he's not fond of the transitory and short-term nature of NIL deals. Further, I'm guessing he probably doesn't want to spend much time in situations with kids and their families trying to leverage him for more money

    I said it before but my take is that NIL was a long-time delayed and well deserved. And NIL is absolutely welded to the transfer portal. I don't begrudge any power or financial rewards athletes are getting. I regret the realignment that cratered the Pac-12, but that was a disaster of the Pac-12's doing and an object lesson for the rest of college athletics. I guess the main lesson is don't be blind, arrogant, and stupid like the Pac-12
     
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    This is a reality now and it’s been legalized within college sports. Whether it’s fair or not is an issue people have to deal with themselves. But if you’re a school that has the ability to capitalize off of it they’d be stupid not to.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    Totally agree. I'm a fan of it. Just creating conversation.
     
  18. Natebishop3

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    The more this kid talks, the less I want him on the team.

    https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nca...t-deion-sanders-flip/7f7efa35b396a87b6dec48ba

    Seaton has made some interesting comments in the times he's spoken during the early signing period, saying in an interview with Hayes Fawcett that “Nowadays in sports, you want to maximize your platform" and that "It’s crazy how you can commit to a school and people want you more.”

    On Tuesday morning, he posted a well-known meme that indicated his indecision to his account on X (formerly Twitter), sparking hundreds of replies from fans trying to convince him to sign with their school.
     
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    well, according to the main guy at the Duck On3 site, the Ducks are out of it by their own choice. Don't want to be involved with that guy

    he also said, by the way, Oregon is still recruiting Walter Nolen but the odds are pretty low they convince him
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Makes sense. Everything Seaton has done has been a big red flag. I don't think he would stay past a year anyway.

    Nolen would be nice but I bet the price tag is steep.
     

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