Oregon House Bill 3200

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  1. RoyToy

    RoyToy Clown Town

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    I also think killing animals is lame "sport". I'll never understand it. I have no desire to kill anything that isn't trying to kill me.
     
  2. MickZagger

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    Seriously.

    Get on a level playing field. Get a fishing pole or something.
     
  3. oldguy

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    And,
    Guns are made for target shooting.
    Guns are made to provide food for the table.
    Guns are made to protect one's self, family and property.
    Guns are made to protect one's self from government oppression.

    A man I work with nearly lost his 81 year old mother about a year ago. She was still in pretty good mental and physical shape. She didn't like guns and didn't own one.

    Some douche broke into her house, raped her, beat her nearly to death, stole her car and left her for dead.

    If she had owned a gun, and knew how to use it, and practiced with it, she may have had a chance to kill the guy instead of going through hell herself.

    For you personally, do you think it would have been a bad thing if a gun (that was made to kill things), had been used killed the scumbag and saved her form her torment?

    As a side note, I'm surprised at how few women own guns. They are the only equalizer that is a game changer when they are accosted by a man that means to harm them.

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  4. RoyToy

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    Just because I don't get why someone likes to hunt and kill unsuspecting animals doesn't mean I think people shouldn't be allowed to own guns.

    Guns for self-defense is a very logical reason to own a gun if you choose to do so.
     
  5. RoyToy

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    And while it would be obviously against a law, I certainly wouldn't be upset with you hunting down the guy that did that to your mom and killing him.

    Fuck him.
     
  6. oldguy

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    Nice present.

    The first thing that Dad/Mom should say to him is, "We are going to treat that gun just like it is a real gun. When you mess up with gun safety, we are going to take it away until you earn it back."

    "Listen Bub, the first thing you do when you are handed a gun is point the barrel in a safe direction. Always treat the gun as if it is loaded."

    "Good job, the very next thing you do is make sure the gun is unloaded. Pull the magazine out of the well.

    Cool, now pull the bolt all the way back and make sure there is no bullet in the chamber.

    Excellent, now lock the bolt back into place.

    Now EVERYONE looking at the gun can see that it is unloaded and safe. Then nobody has to be nervous about it."

    This would go on for a long time as they teach him about how to be safe and responsible about firearms. They would have the opportunity to talk about how you don't get to say 'sorry' when you shoot someone. He could learn that he needs to respect guns, but he doesn't need to fear them.

    This is the kind of quality time that parents and children should cherish. This is Dad/Son bonding at it's best. This is how character is built.

    Or, alternatively, they could just hand him the new toy and move to the next one, BlackOps2 and a new PS3. Then the boy could use the tactics he learns on the video game to steal his Dad's SKS, go school and settle up with the kids that made fun of his glasses.

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  7. oldguy

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    If you are as good a Christian as you seem to be, I guess you don't have a reason to like guns. Me, I'm not as confident. I'm going to try to hang around as long as I can.

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  8. MARIS61

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    I understand. You like the power of paying others to kill for you.
     
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    Batting cage - You are practicing hitting a ball thrown by a machine = waste of time

    Driving range - practicing hitting a ball nowhere in particular = waste of time

    Shooting range - Practicing subsistence hunting and self defense = possibly the difference between life or death

    I'll just never understand how someone gets off on hiding their head in the sand.
     
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    Sorry, but I AM getting embarrassed for you now.

    First, I didn't say a damned thing about government coming into houses and taking stuff. Nice straw man, though.

    But since you bring it up, Section 4 of HB 3200 had a provision wherein, if you chose to register your "Assault Weapon", then you had to store it securely. The law would have left it to the state police to work out what 'securely' means. (Safes? Trigger locks? Both?) It goes on to say
    It doesn't say how often I would have had to submit to this invasion of my privacy. It's also silent as to how much it would have cost me for the privilege.

    If the gun was not 'stored securely' when the inspection occured, the bill was silent on what would happen. Since I would be out of compliance with the law (if AW wasn't stored securely) I would expect that they would at least seize my AW. They might arrest me too, but like I said, it's not explicit in the bill.

    So, yeah, I think it was very likely that HB 3200 would result in government going into houses and taking guns.

    So, maybe you could explain how you see it written differently. Maybe back it up with more than your ill-informed opinion?

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    Do you eat meat, RoyToy?

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  13. oldguy

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    Same question to you, MZ. Do you eat meat?

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  14. oldguy

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    Why is it ok to kill fish, but somehow unworthy to kill a rabbit?

    You couldn't hold my jock fishing for steelhead or salmon. I haven't hunted in 15 years, it was just an example of a legitimate reason to practice shooting/killing.

    Finally, why should anyone care if you like hunting? It's legal, it's fun, and the animals taste good.

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    I guess I'm confused. You believe it's ok to use guns for self defense. Then why be critical of people that like to practice? If you are going to use a gun for defense, you SHOULD practice, no? You need to have confidence that you can hit what you need to hit, without hitting something you don't want to hit. You need to stay familiar with how your weapon works. You get to practice safe gun handling skills.

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  16. MickZagger

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    I highly doubt that. I slay salmon like you could only dream. I could show you holes that would blow your mind old timer.
     
  17. RoyToy

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    Shooting guns for fun is different than knowing how to use your firearm.

    Shooting unsuspecting animals? Yeah, no thanks.
     
  18. TradeNurkicNow

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    This devolved into a pissing match rather quickly.

    Welcome to your rhetoric level, America.
     
  19. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    When's the hunting season on Afghans end? Any year now?
     
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