OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national anthem

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  1. julius

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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    mouthing off to a player in an arena (which gives you a lot of safety in numbers) is not the same as saying someone should be fouled hard because they hold a different belief/perspective than you do.

    To me, calling for a player to be fouled hard or saying they should leave the country is something you say anonymously, because you're protected by the fact that Dion Waiters will never see this. Saying something like that to the person, to his face without 19K other people, security and cameras, is another.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Kaman is a player I wouldn't fuck with. Seems like a nice guy but I wouldn't want to see him pissed.
     
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  3. julius

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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    I'll break it down.

    Not being present at the NA (being absent from the line of teammates when they are presenting the national anthem) does not mean you are disrespecting the country.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Yeah but he's sane enough to jut knock you out. I think Artest and Oakley would probably keep going until they get tired.
     
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  5. julius

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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    really, you think that's the same as basically telling a guy he should get fouled hard or leave the country because he is well within is legal rights not to be there when they play the national anthem?

    Go ahead and tweet him and give him your name and see how that goes.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    First, you're conflating freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    Second, you seem to be misinterpreting both what I want and why I want it.

    I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to take the time to clarify everything for you.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Let's put it another way.

    You are invited to a wedding. You refuse to attend the ceremony because you are against the wedding, yet you have no problem eating the food at the reception.

    Is that respectful?
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Or it could be for the same reason witnesses don't stand for it
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Give me his tweet handle. I would be more than happy to PC him and give him my address.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    I'm sure if we went through your posts we would find many that you would never say alone to a player's face. It's a forum, exaggerated hyperbole is a requirement. If we suddenly enacted a standard of, "don't say something about a player that you wouldn't say to their face" this place would become very boring.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    https://twitter.com/dionwaiters3
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    For God's sake, we get it!! You keep saying the same thing over and over again, like some Chatty Cathy doll whose string is being yanked. Meanwhile, you're oblivious to the larger issues involved in this dialogue.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant


    Yeah no shit. And I've never said I'd say it to their face. I've also never said someone should be removed from the country because they don't carry the same belief or practice that I do.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    Saying you refuse to respect a national tradition my be well within the law but so is saying to someone they will love playing in Turkey. No disrespect to Turkey. Pays better than the D league. Sometimes when you attain some celebrity in this country you get booed off the stage.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    That says that Muslims aren't allowed to stand for or sing national anthems in any country, not just the U.S. Even in Muslim countries.

    When most people read this latest Waiters news, they assume that not standing is a way to show opposition to the U.S. war machine. Not true. Even Muslims in Muslim countries don't stand, or even have any national anthems at all.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    freedom of speech and religion are related. His religion (or so he claims) says he shouldn't do something, and it's his right (speech) to not do something.

    Speech is not limited to talk or print. It's also actions.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    what is the "large issue" involved then?

    The guy doesn't want to be present in the national anthem, and some people are proposing he be punished by hard fouls, hates/disrespects/dislikes the US and should leave.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    I knew this thread would be gold when I made it.
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    On its way. There is a problem logging in. I will screen shot my response
     
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    Re: OT - Dion Waiters informs Cavs that he is a Muslim and plans to skip national ant

    pay per click, baby, pay per click!
     
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