Fair point. I'm assuming that Michael Sam would also have had a problem with Dungy saying what he said. I could be wrong. If I believed that trying to change prejudice is bad, then it would follow that I believe the prejudice itself is acceptable. It's a fine line, but what I'm saying is that I have yet to see a (male) gay athlete who is simply willing to be openly gay without making a public spectacle of it (there have been many on the female side, and I find that dichotomy fascinating as well). I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with someone attempting to change public perception, but it would also be nice to see a gay athlete who isn't trying to change things, but is OK with simply being gay.
Well, to clarify, I don't believe you're in favor of bigotry based on my interactions with you. That wasn't meant to be an implication on my part.
Much appreciated. I apologize if my inference was unreasonable. BTW, I enjoyed this little exchange. It's nice when reasonable people can discuss divergent viewpoints without resorting to insults.
It tried to hide itself by blending in on the sports board until Sly outed it, and then forced it to change its home.
Sure there is no homophobia anywhere any more. Two miscellaneous points: Had Michael Sam not come out, then been drafted 4th round and kissed his boyfriend, he would have been roasted alive by sports media for hiding the fact that he was gay, letting teams think he was an "ordinary" (i.e., straight) guy. Second miscellaneous point: Suppose instead of "coming out" formally, Player X was just seen everywhere with the same handsome young man, the young man was at all games, was living in his house; how long would it take before someone said "Dude, is he your boyfriend?" I'd love to see gay athletes at team gatherings, when a straight teammate says hey guys, this is my girlfriend Diane, respond with this is my boyfriend Duane. Until that starts happening you can't say no one has a problem. It's why gays and lesbians get really good at referring to significant other without using pronouns.
A. I doubt it. B. If that happened, it would reflect poorly on any sports media personality who criticized him C. I seriously doubt the PC police would allow such criticism to slide. Yeah, and...? Are you suggesting that would be a problem? Of course people still have problems with it. Maris is living in a dream world if he thinks people don't. However, I'm of the opinion that if people have a problem with me being who I am, the problem is theirs, not mine. But if I edit who I am because of what people may think/say, then the problem is mine, not theirs.
Or, how about if he didn't come out, and wasn't drafted at all? Because that's just as likely, based on how poorly he did at the NFL Combine and at his pro day.
That's ridiculous. Same as if it was a heterosexual couple? Can't see your point here. You're right about that. Until gays stop playing the victim role they will continue to be victims, at least in their own minds. We are all self-creations in the end.
