Your argument is atrocious though. MJ leads everyone in WS/48. You also think Dominique Wilkins (one of the worst playoff WS/48 players ever) is better than Bryant Lol at you comparing Kobe's numbers to MJ's numbers. I don't even understand you anymore. Apparently saying Kobe is on par with Jordan. Doesn't sound like a great Bulls fan to me. ;]
Really, in 1993 he played the Pistons? Which is what that post is about. I don't remember insulting Detroit. He didn't dominate those other teams like that. The Bad Boy Pistons and 93 Knicks also had a worse defensive rating in the playoffs than the 2010 Boston Celtics.
6 titles in 6 tries and 6 Finals MVP awards vs. 4 titles in 6 tries (so far) with one Finals MVP award. Why is this even a thread?
Nope, not true. I clearly mentioned Kobe and that MJ is # 1 (as of now at least) all time in WS/48. So I don't understand how you could think this. You're using Kobe's numbers vs Barkley to establish your big man theme. That's what I was referring to. Given two comparable players you'd take the big. Well guess what each player has his own resume. You make various contradictions in your posts. You bring up WS/48, then praise some clearly inferior player over Bryant (Wilkins). Then you say MJ isn't GOAT, but now he is? You're all over the place.
My point is simple. I don't hear anyone saying Barkley is GOAT. His numbers, traditional and the ones you like to cherry pick, are superior to Kobe's. It's simple logic that if Barkley isn't GOAT, then Kobe isn't close. And I don't care if Jordan is GOAT or not, he's by far the superior player to anyone who's played since his retirement. The closest guys to Jordan, in my book, were a young KG, Tim Duncan, and soon LeBron. You are blinded by statistics if you don't realize how great a player Wilkins was. 10 seasons over 25 PPG, and everyone on the defense knew he was the only guy taking the shots.
KG? I don't know about that, you should take a look some time. Lol there you go again. Of course Kobe shouldn't be in the GOAT discussion, that's not even an issue. The only one cherry picking is you. I don't have any agenda to promote I show no loyalty to my own team in this discussion. You however bring up WS/48 only when it suits you, which is inexplicable. WS/48 if you ever read the BBR blog, correlates the best with over and under achievers in the playoffs. The fact that you just ignore it for Wilkins, KG, etc. is funny.
I posted WS/48 because you talked about it, period. KG put up 22/13/5 type numbers for 5 seasons, 20/10/5 for 9 seasons. 1.3 SPG and 1.6 BPG career averages, too. Superior to Pippen's production, and Pippen is one of the greatest 50 players. KG played on teams with crappy teammates and still has a higher WS/48 (your favorite stat) than Kome. Shaq belongs on my list.
No, you have certain favorites. Playoffs: KG: .153 WS/48, 51 TS%. Kobe: .159 WS/48, 54 TS%. KG's at .166 from age 22 onwards, Kobe's at .177.
Kobe's WS/48 for 2 minutes of Game 3 of the playoffs in 2001 was huge! That's cherry picking for you.
While I think MJ was better, it really bothers me when people say Kobe had Shaq, and MJ had no one. I would argue with anyone that the Chicago Bulls Championship teams were the greatest 'Teams' of all time. Pippen averaged 20pts a game from 90-98 Rodman pulled down 17rebs per game Kukoc added 14pts, 4.5rebs, 4.5asts Kerr was money from down town Add MJ to that and Phil Jackson That's better than the Spurs championship teams, or this years Lakers/Celtics teams. I'm not going to argue who the greatest of all time is, but insert Kobe/Drexler/LeBron in MJ's spot and they would have won six championships.
I don't think anyone really stopped him, but teams did stock up on a player they thought could slow him down. A couple more "stoppers" that come to mind would be John Starks (Knicks) and Joe Dumars (Pistons) Viktor Kryhapa was known for having great defense against Kobe.
