OT: NBA Officially Cracking Down On Flops

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  1. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    NateBishop, you took the words right out of my mouth, er, fingers. You really think they'll call a T on Kobe Bryant? No flipping way, they'll call it on A_am Morrison or some rookie. Then Stern will say, see, we are cracking down of floppers!
     
    crandc, Sep 28, 2012
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  2. handiman

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    I don't doubt your effort or ability, but until you ref at the NBA level, I don't think you have any more insight than the rest of us about how tough some of these calls are to make at professional game speed. Many of the LeBron/Wade head jerks look like legit fouls until watching them on slow-mo. It may sound lame that the NBA is proposing a post-game analysis approach, but that's really the only way to decide on a lot of the calls. No one wants full instant replay in-game.
     
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    Figures, as soon as the Blazers bring in a bunch of Euros they go and do this... :sigh:
     
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    Refs aren't intentionally rewarding flops. They're calling the game to the best of their ability. If they stop calling all flops, then they will ALSO miss lots of plays where people get elbows to the throats and shoulders to the teeth.

    I don't think it's realistic to tell refs "be better at your job" and expect things to get better. I'd guess they already do that and HAVE done it.

    Presumably any post-game review of flops will be used as learning opportunities for refs and tracking of ref efficacy (which refs keep getting fooled?) as well as punishing floppers by hitting them in the pocketbook.

    Ed O.
     
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    You honestly don't know how many NBA/college players I've reffed. I don't like to drop names but it's pretty easy to get an open look. For someone who it sounds like has never reffed a game in his life, you may not understand.

    And no one is advocating for that straw man of an argument. Real time it's easy to see if someone flops. You just don't know what to look for.
     
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    They are not calling games to their best ability. They are being lazy. When you have 3 refs on the floor it's pretty easy to make sure you watch the competitive matchup in you area.

    When Tyson chandler gets ejected in the clip below it's because Leon wood was looking at the top of the key at the ballhandler and NOT at his competitive matchup which is RIGHT in front of him. NBA refs are lazy. And it takes a ref to know that they are. If you are just a fan and don't even know the Primary Areas of Responsibility that an official has to watch then you don't know what they're looking at or why they are calling calls out of their area. Bottom line is NBA refs are lazy and it is not nearly as good as college officiating.

    [video=youtube;ibE8wylk-cw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibE8wylk-cw[/video]
     
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  7. dviss1

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    Do you really think this is going to deter the 16MM dollar man Chris Paul from Flopping in the finals to help give him an edge?

    Nope. He's gonna flop no matter how much you fine him. Refs know how to stop this. But NBA refs are lazy.
     
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    I'm not trying to offend you, but you're digging yourself into a corner. Take a deep breath and revisit what people have said... So what if you've reffed a few NBA and college players here and there? That has nothing to do with reffing NBA game speed. Until you've done that, you have no basis for saying that it's easy to catch all the flops. Just armchair quarterbacking like the rest of us.
     
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  9. dviss1

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    Again, you've never reffed a game in your life. I ref about 100+ per year. So again I'm sure I have more insight than you ever will. Just sayin.
     
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    Ok, since you want to be stubborn about it... How about a quick look at the NFL? All those replacement refs were even more qualified than you to step up a [big] level, having worked the smallish conferences. Guess what, they were shit at the NFL level, because they couldn't handle the game speed of having everyone that big, fast, and strong, and having to make decisions that much faster. Like you, they probably felt it was little different than what they had already experienced. They were flat out wrong.

    No one likes a cocky ref.
     
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    I would like to thank dviss for offering up some insight into this discussion. Much appreciated.
     
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    simple fact is that suspensions would actually deter flopping, and thats the whole point

    fuck, suspend refs if they fall for it too, maybe that would untwist dviss from his rage spiral
     
    3RA1N1AC, Sep 28, 2012
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    It will in the regular season but in crucial games in the playoffs it'll still be there. I'm sure a 275k hit to amare for a 1game suspension will hurt.
     
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    umm, they would then get suspended in the playoffs, i fail to see your logic...unless you are specifically talking about game 7 of the finals?
     
    3RA1N1AC, Sep 28, 2012
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    I'm talking about elimination games in general in the playoffs.
     
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    I say everyone caught flopping gets punched in the sack by Nic Batum.
     
    44Thrilla, Sep 28, 2012
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    I'd pay to see that. :)

    Honestly, that's the best post in this thread. :)
     
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    My boy Nic is gonna' be our new enforcer!
     
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    They've been saying this for awhile now, but I still see it all the time......
    I don't recall every seeing a T called on a flop.
     
    Sinobas, Sep 29, 2012
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    I think the best way for the league to do it is after the fact. All questioned flops get reviewed by the league, and if you flop you get fined a substantial amount as well as suspended for a game without pay. That will stop it ASAP
     
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