Uhm, ok, sweet beans. Are there plans to move the Pacers to the western conference next season? No? Then who gives a fuck what their record would be in the western conference. They are in the east. It is easier there. But that is completely irrelevant to the point I was making that they were in the ECF and have virtually no interest in dumping their C for 7 players, of which they'd have to likely cut 5, none of who would be immediate contributors. I don't care about them in the west.
Sweet beans. Dumping 7 players for 1 is stupid for anyone not named Lebron. So that's a moot point. Indiana is lucky, not good. That's really the bottom line. They are not a true contender, since they don't really have to contend with more than one team. Their whole team was in shambles and still made it to the ECF. Lucky, not good.
I know the ESPN one gives some extra detail over RealGM, but it was nice to see someone use Granddaddy. What do you mean by locally sourced? How about links to a couple of the best small independent trade verifiers so I can see the advantages.
We're in agreement on Robin and Wes. I wouldn't move two guys who are great fits with all the pieces around them and on cheap contracts, even for a potential star. (not named Lebron or KD)
Not even Trader Bob could come up with a scenario that made sense for both teams. Pacers just need to find that one coach/GM that think Hibbert's implosion was a fluke and that they are the geniuses who can fix him. I wouldn't want to be a fan of that team.
He's never been much of a rebounder. He can completely disappear during games, big games at that. I wanted him in 2012 but I'm happier with Lopez now. Hibbert has big holes in his game. Lopez fits our starting lineup like a glove. I say no.
No they didn't. They were 56-26, exactly two games better than Portland. The Clippers and Thunder had better records. And San Antonio has the best record in the NBA at 62-20.
I don't think he has that much value now. Way too much for Roy atm, since this "quietly shopping" thing could actually mean "dumping"
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ngkeoxh Batum/McCollum to Detroit Jennings/Monroe to Indy Hibbert/Watson to Portland Who wins that deal?
We have no SF, and have Hibbert, lopez, kaman, Leonard and Freeland all on the roster. Not a good balance there
Hibbert is a game changer on D but I dont value him very high for a couple of reasons. First his disappearing act last season was unnerving but he showed up and scared the shit out of John Wall in the Wizards series and had a few good games against the heat. He isnt a stat stuffer but more of a brick wall slashing players run into Hibbert isnt a guy you can give tons of minutes two because he gets tired pretty quickly and you can see how that effects his game He has a pretty easy counter to his D. A shooting center that drags him away from the paint, hibbert has real trouble getting from above the free throw line back into the paint Hibbert is also a player who you have to change your offense to fit. Running a fast quick offense or being a running team doesnt wont work with Hibbert. He would be the perfect center for Nate McMillian or Monty Williams but we play to fast for Hibbert here.
Yeah, the Kaman signing really does make attempting to acquire Hibbert (without sending out RoLo) pretty pointless...
It goes back to the discussion we have had the last few months on how important a center is relative to the other positions. Yes a good center is needed and Hibbert is one of the better one, but at what expense? I would offer value but I would be careful. He would be great to have but like others have suggested he will only play half the game. I don't mind our center by committee situation. It sure is nice not having to worry if your big man goes down and seeing a big drop off. I would rather have three guys going all out compared to one center trying to pace himself. Center is more a hustle position than a skilled one these days.
IMO, it's not so much that a "center is needed" but rather that a defensive game-changer is needed. Just getting a good wing defender (especially if he's a reserve) isn't enough. Outside of maybe Scottie Pippen, a single wing defender can only make so much impact. A great defensive big man can be the foundation of a major defensive turnaround. For me, it all comes down to whether Stotts and the coaching staff believes that they can incorporate Hibbert into the offense. While I love the idea of getting a DPotY candidate center, if it significantly damages their offense because they're playing 4-on-5 on that end, it isn't worth it. I don't think getting Hibbert is clearly the right move or clearly the wrong move. It depends on whether the Blazers can wring any offensive value out of him.
