coming from someone who lists Zach as a talent, thats not surprising. Dude's deficiencies arguably matched his positives. He's an okay starter talent at best... you have seen what the trade market has valued him at right? If you think a mixed bag like ZR is comparable to an all around stud like Roy, communication problems will happen my point is that Roy is a better talent then Rudy. On or off the ball he's the better player who'd present Ricky with more options to be effective as a tandem. Whatever familiarity 23 year old Rudy has built up playing with this 18 year old kid would be matched shortly into a NBA season. STOMP
Let me ask you a different question. What about Flynn? You think he's tradeable since you're so certain that Rubio is coming over?
of course lol, but with rubio, it is really hard to put a value you on him. right now, its sky high, especially considering we gave up miller and foye for him, our only talented/proven perimeter guys besides gomes. It is just crazy how much you guys value rudy and everyone else. I think rudy is pretty good. But no one has seen enough of him to just give up a ton. KP/your coach is ruining all those guys' value because no one gets to seem them prove anything.
It would take more than that to pry Rubio away from MIN....adding Batum (or Rudy) would have to be done....my preference would be for Batum, as POR has players there to step in (Webster\Cunningham\Roy could play there as well in certain situations), whereas Rudy has the capability to play some PG (alongside Roy), serves as a b\u, insurance against injuries to Roy and IMO is\will be a better player.... Start with that (Batum\Bayless\Outlaw) and then go from there if need be (1st round draft pick, Freeland, etc...)... But listening to KAHN!!!!!! it seems more like he wouldn't trade him, until he at least sees what type of player Rubio is.....which I can't necessarily blame him for.....drafting Flynn & Rubio though was a dumb mistake though, no matter how he tries to spin it.... That works both ways BTW (not knowing)...and to say that POR players aren't very good on a team that won 54 games (how many did MIN win again last year?)...is a ridiculous statement.... Want to bet which team has a better record this year? I mean since our players (outside of Roy) aren't very good and all, this should be a no brainer for you, right?
so to recap, Rubio's value is "sky high" because Minni gave up on the overpaid and mediocre Mike Miller and injury prone and mediocre Randy Foye, and you're accusing Blazer fans of overvaluing their players? Classic Pot/Kettle STOMP
But...but...but....Miller was a ROY, and Foye was drafted before Roy! They must be better! Oh well - how much fun would it be if we were all perfectly reasonable, instead of being rabid homers?
I think flynn is nothing special and would LOVE to trade him, but no, because we have NO depth now. Kahn is butchering our roster. We have no talent left whatsoever. Lol, you guys just read what you want to read instead of what i'm saying. I never said the wolves were better or had better players. I'm saying your role player aren't very good. Gomes would start on your roster instantly and you all know that. to stomp, Miller is not mediocre, he is pretty much solid at everything and a great role player. Foye has struggled with injuries and still averaged 16 ppg last year. I have no beef with us picking roy over foye. I still think foye is a very good player, roy turned out better, but that doesn't mean i'm bitter. It's funny the assumptions people make when they are exposed and have nothing else to say but random insults. Here is all i was saying about rubio's value to the T'wolves: We traded our only good perimeter player (and one of the more quality young guys with plenty of potential left) and miller, our only other quality player that we were willing to easily part with for a very very very highly touted rookie. Sooooo, to the twolves, he is very important to us and has huge value. WE got rid of all our perimeter talent for him, so yeah, he has huge value, not talent. How about you actually read what i say instead of assuming
unintentional humor makes me happy You should start a poll on this when did defense stop being half the game? He's one of the absolute worst in the game... he makes defensive baby giraffe Travis Outlaw look like PIP. Jacking up a ton of shots doesn't make someone a valuable player, making shots does. His 41% FG% is reflected in his PER. 15 is the mean (average) for an NBA player and Foye's 14.0 PER this last season was his best in three years in the league. I called him injury prone (which he has been) and mediocre... how can you have a beef with this? btw... Rudy's rookie year PER was 15.4, but we're the homers good, we're still not bitter about how things worked out either. what sort of value will he bring to the Wolves if (as expected) he's playing in Europe next season? I'm guessing this offseason's moves will help equate to an excellent shot at the top pick. STOMP
A poll would make no sense, you guys are obsessed with you mediocre players. Foye had such a bad per because he was our only skilled guard, and mchale wanted him to shoot as much as possible. If you had watched us, you would know that. Rudy's per is high, because he played sporadic minutes on a good team, that helps a lot. IF Rubio plays in europe, better value. He gets better, stronger, and older while still suck and get a higher pick. Him staying doesn't hurt us in the slightest, we can wait, so he has nothing to bargain with. And why the hell does everyone think miller is a garbage defender???? I didn't know being white meant you sucked on defense. Every time i have watched miller on d he is doing a very good job. He rebounds way above average for a 2 guard, and his very hard working on defense. But whatever, he's white so he sucks. I love the subtle racism still so ingrained in sports.
oh please start one. Suggesting we all know that Ryan Gomes, coming off a year where he posted a 12.5 PER, would start ahead of Batum is comedy... a poll would make for more fun for everyone! But we're the one's obsessed with mediocre players I drafted him in my fantasy league last year and dropped him about a 1/3rd of the way through the season after watching him many games with fingers crossed... I finally deciding he wasn't going to ever pan out because he wasn't that good. I'd thought with health and basically nobody in front of him he might blossom with his opportunity. Your theory here has so many holes I don't know where to begin. Rudy played 25.6 MPG, thats hardly sporadic. Your theories on what roles players benefit most in are... uncommon. Most feel that consistent big minutes (25+) allow players to get into their groove and play to their abilities. Rudy and Randy both had great opportunities... a foreign rookie two years younger just did more with his. thats cool... if I were a Wolves fan I'd probably rather he stay overseas too. Better to suck a lot now and let him develop a bit more. Can ownership be patient with the low ticket sales that come with truly sucking though... everyone is wrong and you're right... I'm sensing a theme here No one has mentioned skin color/race. This is just you, all alone, projecting completely baseless crap because the whole world disagrees with you. STOMP
so because you didn't have an argument, you just insulted me? alright, that's cool. Stop obsessing with per. The wolves were a terrible team last year that tried A LOT of different things. Some worked, most did not. Because of this, our players struggled, all of them at different times. McHale was really working this team to be ready a few years down the road. He was doing a great job imo, i'm pretty upset he is gone. If you would actually watch gomes play, you would know that he is a better outside shooter than both batum and outlaw, probably about even in defensive ability, maybe a little less than batum, but gomes is much bigger and stronger. Gomes is a better rebounder, passer, and scorer. He is a great glue guy. But when you play on a bad team, being a glue guy doesn't help much, and he struggled accordingly. About the miller thing. Whatever. I guess i'm the only one that sees a good defender. The only reason i can imagine people thinking he sucks wihtout watching him is because of his race, which happens all the time in basketball. Every white draft pick that comes out, is listed as a bad defender. It's just what people do. They label players based on stereotypes. How many times have you actually watched miller play recently?
My personal opinion is that Rubio will be a great player one day but at the moment he is acting like a spoiled brat. It may well have benefited him to stay in Spain longer and Real Madrid wouldn't be the worst move in the world for him but it is the way he is going about it that stinks and also if he was drafted by NYK then he wouldn't be thinking about Spain. If I was a Timberwolves fan I'd be gutted. An immense potential but he wants nothing to do with your franchise and openly sees you as a stepping stone.
