OT: Rubio watch

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  1. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    Comparing styles of play by bringing up All-Star appearances and rings (while excluding Olympic gold-medal games ;) ) is pretty ridiculous as well.

    Was Rubio a bench player last year? What were Rondo's first 52 games like? Wait, I know, let's use an 229-minute sample and one particular statistic coming off of an injury to invalidate 7 years of the same style of play. :MARIS61:

    What, pray tell, are Rondo's skills? Having 3 Hall of Famers as teammates and winning a ring? Being an all-star in his 4th season? Since I can't foresee what Rubio's next 3 years are going to be like (I mean, will MIN trade with Kevin McHale to put 3 HoFers around Rubio?), I look at their (ahem) skillsets. Like being gambling-on-defense PGs...like not having a jump shot (though Rubio looks like Ray Allen in comparison to Rondo), like all the things in my previous post that you're attempting to invalidate b/c of a 229-minute sample. I notice you didn't bring up how Rondo's rookie year is clearly inferior to Rubio's in every way.

    I mean, in Rondo's first 52 games...
    In his second year
    So in his second year, Rondo couldn't match what Rubio's rookie year was. Hm.
     
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  2. BrianFromWA

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    this, I can agree with.
     
  3. VanillaGorilla

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    Rubio is barely any better at defense. Their assist stats are the same. Sergio was a better shooter.
     
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    rubio's a lot better defender than Sergio. It's not really close.
     
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    I don't know if there's fainter praise you could damn Rubio with.
     
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    Sergio was a below average defender. Rubio is average at best. It is close.
     
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    .7 less steals per 36 minutes.

    110 to 104 defensive rating.

    Very little difference.

    Actually theres very little difference in any part of their games, except that Sergio was a better shooter/scorer.
     
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    I would take any of the backup PGs we used to have; Sergio, Patty Mills (who I think was the one who should have stayed), Jack, etc. over our backup PGs now.
     
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    I'd say 110-104 is a pretty large difference in DRTG. On top of that, just taking it by itself is pretty useless. I mean, unless you believe that Blake Griffin is one of the top PF defenders in the league, next to Boozer.
    Rubio's rating last year was 104. But Minnesota as a team was almost 107. Sergio never had a rating better than his team's overall rating, and the only time he was within even 1 whole point of it was on Sacramento.
     
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    I don't take it by itself, Rubio sucks at defense when I see him play too.

    All I'm saying is that Sergio was as good at passing, better at scoring, and worse at defense. I just don't see why you're so adamant about Rubio being so much better at defense it's "not even close".
     
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    Hollinger's take:

    You can argue whether he is elite, but saying he's close to Sergio on defense is just foolish.
     
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    Rubio - average
    Sergio - below average
     
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    Hollinger also said the Lillard was the most overrated prospect in the last draft.

    Rubio is not a great defender. At best, he's average. More surprising is that Sergio has a better Ortg than Rubio (101 to 97). I thought Rubio was supposed to be the next Pistol Pete?
     
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    IIRC, Hollinger (if it wasn't him, it was another big-wig prospect analyst at ESPN) had stats/projections showing Batum would also be a huge bust. I'd probably say that was inaccurate. Just maybe.

    Hollinger provides some fun analysis at times, but he's like rest rest of us: right as much as he is wrong.
     
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    I don't think Hollinger has ever tried to compare Rubio and Rondo, though. That would be a career killer. I mean, career stats are fun to look at, but nothing about Rubio's game says "Rondo" to me. But, that horse is already dead...
     
  16. KingSpeed

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    Oh I never said he did (not that you were saying I said he did). I can't imagine anyone making that comparison.
     
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    Wow that is terrible mags. Olshey already has a better drafting record with lillard
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    There have been stretches were the Blazers draft record wasn't much better than that.
     

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