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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I would be thrilled to see this happen, but I'll believe it when I see it. However, if he is able to do that, why would we want to move him?
     
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    Blazer Freak Superstar in the Making

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    Because a $10M/year contract is honestly not that high of a level in today's NBA landscape. Look at Biyombo/Mahinmi making $17M/year. If Meyers can get back to 8-10ppg/4-5rpg and 40%+ 3p% he is going to be fairly easy to trade.

    The reasoning for us is simple. Both sides of this need a fresh start, and with our draft and other players on the roster he would be an expensive luxury. While money and the luxury tax does not really matter to PA, having a player like Meyers making $10M when we could dump him for some future assets would ease some of the financial burden on the team and allow us a little more flexibility. I think by mid-season both Swanigan and Collins will have no problem swallowing up the 15-20mpg Meyers would be taking up.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    From your lips to God's ears. I think you're the only one who expects this.
     
  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I cautiously hope for it. I don't expect it.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    I expect mediocrity.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I'd gladly settle for that at this point.

    In his 3rd season, Meyers had a PER = 14.8 (15.0 being considered an average NBA player). He shot the ball extremely well - had a 50/40/90 season at .510 FG%, .420 3FG% and .938 FT% and was a slightly above average rebounder. In the two seasons since then, which coincided with two things: the firing of Kim Hughes as our big man coach and the coaches deciding Meyers was no longer a 5, but a stretch 4, his performance had plummeted.

    Just a few of his numbers to show how much his production has declined:

    2014-15:
    PER = 14.8
    TS% = .631
    TRB% = 15.8

    2015-16:
    PER = 11.3
    TS% = .561
    TRB% = 12.8

    2016-17:
    PER = 8.9
    TS% = .507
    TRB% = 10.8

    I'd be absolutely thrilled with a return to mediocrity. If Meyers was putting up similar numbers to 2014-15 he'd actually be worth his $10 million a year contract. Perhaps even be considered a bargain in today's NBA.

    But, I'm not holding my breath. At this point anything we get out of Meyers, on the court, on in a trade, will be a pleasant surprise. I'm more interested in seeing what Collins and Swanigan can do and if Noah Vonleh can show the 20 games he played beside Nurk weren't a fluke.

    BNM
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Minor correction--15 is an average NBA starter.
     
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  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nope. Hollinger defined PER = 15.00 as the league average for ALL players.

    Reference guide
    Hollinger has set up PER so that the league average, every season, is 15.00, which produces sort of a handy reference guide:

    All-time great season 35.0+
    Runaway MVP candidate 30.0-35.0
    Strong MVP candidate 27.5-30.0
    Weak MVP candidate 25.0-27.5
    Definite All-Star 22.5-25.0
    Borderline All-Star 20.0-22.5
    Second offensive option 18.0-20.0
    Third offensive option 16.5-18.0
    Slightly above-average player 15.0-16.5
    Rotation player 13.0-15.0
    Non-rotation player 11.0-13.0
    Fringe roster player 9.0-11.0
    Player who won't stick in the league 0-9.0

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    I like Meyers generally, but don't think he will be able grow this year because there won't be any minutes for him. I see Vonleh, Collins, Swanigan and Davis all ahead of him on the chart.

    I hope some team will want him as is because Stotts will be hard pressed to find any minutes for him after preseason.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    OK, I stand corrected.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Actually, you are far from alone. The PER = 15 = average starter is a commonly held misconception. Probably because pretty much every team has one or two starters with PER < 15. But then, half the teams in the league usually also have at least one starter with PER > 25. So, it all averages out.

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    SIeepwalker The lone sane poster

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    Lillard PER was 24.15 ...
     
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    In reality, PER is a weighted-average per minute, and there are far more players in the league below 15 than above. So the "average" really depends on if you're looking at players as a whole or player minutes played. Regarding players who started at least 30 games this past year, 91 were over 15 and 79 were under. Theoretically, either position is defensible.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's true. A huge portion of the guys who have PER < 15 are guys who play less than 300 minutes, because guys that don't produce don't get rewarded with PT. Which is just another way of saying the guys who produce the most play the most minutes - in general.

    For the 2016-2017 season, if you consider all players who started at least 41 games, their average PER was 16.89. That's an unweighted average. So, PER = 15 is still below average starter level.

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    7" is perfectly serviceable. Although, visually, it probably looks a little out of proportion on someone 7'1". It's more about the motion of the ocean than the size of the ship.

    There is no fix. Those pumps and pills are all just rip offs - urban legends.

    Is there something you know about Zach Collins the rest of us don't?

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Repeat after me:

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