OT Over 170 of Jeffrey Epstein's high-profile associates will be NAMED in court documents unsealed

Wrong. Cats are too smart.

 

Maybe not the general populace, I actually do think the everyday person has some morals regardless of politics. But the establishment elite still seem to be perfectly ok promoting the Clintons and their various pet projects. Not a lot of accountability for old Bill or his wife who is well aware of all of it. Same goes for people like Bill Gates who was on those flights, captured on the island in photos as well and seems to still be galavanting around the world trying to corner various markets and generally being praised and funded by the liberal elite.

 

Well yeah. Anybody on board with the DNC (or any Republican) is basically a corporate stooge. Money means more than anything else. Including people. Including children.

Our political system isn't set up to entice smart, moral people. Quite the opposite.

 

I'd say both Clintons have been beyond embarrassed in their political careers, Bill getting impeached over an intern and Hillary losing to the dumbest candidate to ever hold office. I don't see them on the news media circuits much at all since Hillary lost. It's hardly like Trump splattering bullshit every nano second since he's held office (barely) ..some people are smart enough to fade quietly into the background and some just wear a sign that says, "kick me'. Choices. Obama isn't going ballistic over politics post presidency and neither are the Clintons or Carter or Bush. The thing they all have in common is respect for the dignity of the office. See John McCain's funeral or George Bush Sr.'s ..Trump just isn't welcome amongst ex-presidents for a good reason and it's not a partisan one. Clinton was never praised post presidency for anything...his tech age economics are all he's really famous for other than being a womanizer

 

This is a perfect example of why you dont' get much respect here @jonnyboy. The above is a nonsense, right-wing talking points take. Nothing more.

The Clintons, far from your bogus alleged "no accountability," have actually been investigated more than any other White House couple. Maybe you weren't around for Whitewater, but the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, had carte blanche to investigate anything and he did. For 5 full years. What did he find? Nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Similar for Benghazi. Total waste of time, money, and energy. Led to zero indictments. ZERO.

Similarly, what do you know about Bill Gates? Not much it seems. Aside from being a technology and marketing and capitalist genius (the GOP dream!), he's spends his life now getting rid of diseases, helping poor farmers, getting other billionaires to give away their money, working on climate change. Go read his last book. "Funded by the liberal elite" - I am embarrassed for you for that one. He's one of the 5 richest men in the world.

I'll say it again - Get Your Facts Straight and people, or at least me, will take you more seriously.

 

Pretty sure both Clinton and Gates are on that Epstein list, though.

Pretty sure that's why Gates is now divorced.

 

This is because the right wing are authoritarian and care about personalities above policy and assume the left is too. Hence the right wing argument that the 2020 election must've been stolen because Trump's rallies were packed and nobody was rallying for Biden. (Never mind that most of the votes for Biden were actually just votes against Trump.) This is also why right wing politicians can get away with breathtaking hypocrisy because they know their voters don't really care about their positions.

 

Bill Clinton coordinated with Bush Sr. To flood US cities with crack in the 80’s and 90’s, the CIA flew the raw product into Mena, AR from Colombia while the Clintons occupied the governor’s mansion. He is also a sexual deviant having been accused of multiple assaults. And there’s something else, oh yeah, HE WAS ON EPSTEINS FLIGHT 20+ TIMES AND IS PHOTOGRAPHED GETTING MASSAGED BY ONE OF THE UNDERAGE VICTIMS, ON THE ISLAND.
Hillary Clinton’s mishaps in Libya were absolutely devastating, resulted in the deaths of Americans and completely destabilized a country that was an otherwise functioning society that actually had free education and healthcare. There are now multiple terrorist factions there as well as an open slave trade.
Bill Gates is a cutthroat crony capitalist who tries to influence legislation to monopolize markets and produce profit for himself. His oral polio vaccine in Africa was a complete flop that resulted in HIGHER polio rates and the deaths of thousands of people. They were literally trying to find a way to offload a product they knew was a failure and derive at least some profit. Similarly, the green farming revolution and use of genetically trademarked products DID NOT increase food production globally, it had the exact opposite effect, especially in the third world where Bill Gates sees human beings as his personal lab rats. This is all documented. He is currently buying up farmland in the United States to further capitalize on his proven failures. The millions he forks out in his philanthropic adventures return billions to his personal fortune, people seem to forget that part. It’s not exactly charity. Oh yeah and there was something else. Oh yeah, HE HUNG OUT WITH EPSTEIN MULTIPLE TIMES, WAS ON THE FLIGHT LOGS AND THE ISLAND, DENIED IT, THEN FLOUNDERED WHEN IT WAS PROVEN TO BE TRUE.

Not sure why anyone goes out of their way to defend these people.

 

Probably for the same reasons so many people go out of their way to defend Trump.....? Personal bias, wishful thinking, ignorance, apathy, just to suggest a few. In either case it's pretty disgusting. I won't spend any time defending the Clinton's (though Bill was actually an effective president....comparatively speaking.....despite the constant Republican assaults) but I can say that his unsavory personal life caused me to vote (for the first and only time in my 69 years of life) for a Republican presidential candidate (Dole) in 1996. Subsequent history beat that silly notion out of me forever. The only reason I now vote Democrat (if and when I do) is as an anti Republican vote......

 

Not sure when you made the determination to vote strictly “not Republican” but I can tell you the current Democrat apparatus is aligned perfectly with the staunchly Republican Iraq war Bush administration. Pro-war, Pro-censorship, anti free speech, blatant lying and corruption, politically motivated prosecution, etc. It’s really hard to tell these establishment sociopaths apart aside from names and faces. The policies are identical. So that leaves me to guess that Trump is what got you to this voting choice? That’s fine, I can’t exactly blame anyone for not liking him as he heaps it on himself. I don’t personally care for that personality type myself but at the end of the day I’ll take whatever he is over the wars and conflicts started by every other modern president besides him.

 

Yes, absolutely. It was infinitely better than it is now. Just like Iraq and Afghanistan were before we dicked them down with democracy. What you call an “Arab Spring” others might call a US-funded coup. When you pay terrorists to impale a dictator through the asshole with a flagpole you can’t pretend to be surprised when they do it.

 

Well.......Gingrich and Limbaugh set the tone by their persecution (see, Trump's not the only one that gets to use that word) of the Clintons (including their then adolescent child). Their constant obstruction of a functioning government was disgusting. Then Bush the Younger stole an election (See? There I go again), lied out his ass to get us into a completely unnecessary war and then totally trashed our economy. He also had a congress that was willing to work toward a solution on the border. His cronies talked him off the ledge because of their desire for cheap labor (You can look it up). And then Trump weaponized the AG's office through Bill Barr. Trump lied about Obama (like he lies about everything else) and then stole (I just can't help myself) the 2016 election. All the shit they (generally falsely) accuse the Democrats of doing, the Republicans have actually done and are still doing. Interesting how the Republican has accusations, but no evidence to back it up (at least so far), while the Democrats have accusations with actual evidence to back it up. And when it comes to starting wars.......The Grenada War was started by Republican Reagan, The Panama and First Gulf Wars were on the watch of Republican Bush the Elder. The Second Gulf War and the Afghanistan War both belonged to Republican Bush the Younger. I am unclear about any war a Democrat has gotten us into since Vietnam. Gingrich and Limbaugh made the Republican Party utterly toxic for me, but Trump is the rock solid guarantee that I will never dip a toe in those waters again.......

And for what it is worth......I was a working adult throughout virtually all the administrations cited. I lived through them. I'm not going on history books or politically expedient narratives. All the revised (or shitcanned) history in the world isn't going to change the reality of how it all went down. And like I have since that 1996 election, I have ALWAYS voted for the individual who I thought had my (and this country's) best interests at heart, even if I ended up getting fooled. The current Republican clown car apparently seems mostly concerned about their own narrow personal interests at the expense of this country's greater good. Trump is card carrying embarrassment and a disgrace to America. Who else but he would give a race baiting, homophobic, chauvinistic, druggy gas bag the Medal of Freedom????

And just a little nit that I can't help but pick......Genius Gym Jordan, who pissed ALL over a congressional subpoena recently, now has his hair on fire because the Biden's are ignoring a (wait for it) congressional subpoena(!!) Doesn't matter that Hunter is extremely agreeable to testifying publicly, Gym and buddies want him behind closed doors so they can gang up on him privately....and then lie to the public about it when they don't get the information they are looking for. Both sides suck a serious hoagie, but at least the Democrats make an attempt to put lipstick on their pigs......Republicans just like their pigs covered in mud.

 

This...Cheers!

 

Hyperbole.

Yeah, as rich and powerful as the rich and powerful are, they are staggeringly not smart. Luckily for them they don’t have to be. The former is quite enough.

 

I never said the outcome was worse for us. It went exactly as planned. A leader who was threatening to reject the dollar as currency is no longer around. I mean yeah, people there are now starving, being murdered and sold into slavery but who gives a fuck. It’s what they get for being born there.