Pac 12... 11... 10... 9... 8... 7...6...5...4... POOF!

Interesting on OSU/WSU voting with USC on these expansion talks, I could see Stanford/Cal voting with them but makes no sense why the other 8 would be against this. Overall just mismanagement of the conference for well over a decade. It's astonishing how many poor decisions were made along the way that led to its demise.

 

who cares what the actual sequence was? it's irrelevant

when the Pac-9 schools actually got to see the specific parameters of the media deal from Apple, every school with a better option went with the better option. The NCAA doesn't have an anti-trust exemption so it's not a case of a rising-tide-lifting-all-boats. It's a case of sink-or-swim; and schools with large markets or good branding that draw TV eyeballs were issued life-jackets.

 

Yea it might be semantics, but welcome to S2/the internet, where that's what most of us spend 90% of the time debating while acting as if we know what is going on behind closed doors and think whatever opinion we have is the gospel while not knowing if any of it is actually true. And if it doesn't matter to you than why comment on it? Yea we get it, OSU/WSU are holding the shit end of the stick but instead of just letting it be and not kicking a dog when it's down, many of the mutt/duck fans have instead chosen to punt the dead dog down the road and laugh all the way while doing it. Just admit that oregon/washington where the final straw that broke the camels back, enjoy the B10 and let us be.

 

The PAC had a meeting with the school presidents to propose the media rights deal. UO and UW no-showed at the meeting. That is what put the final nail in the coffin of the PAC. These are facts.

 

Canzano's just putting that together a lot of other's reporting over the years (which is his M.O.). It has all been out there for a while

IIRC, Oregon was in favor of adding Texas/Oklahoma in 2011; Oregon voted to expand with Big-12 teams in 2021; Oregon voted in favor of accepting the ESPN deal in 2022. That's why it's irritating seeing beaver fans blame Oregon since OSU was on opposite sides in all those votes

by the way, Canzano's "sources" have consistently been OSU and WSU throughout this saga. That's why his reporting has always been so optimistic about the PAC staying together. And his reports of seeming PAC solidarity at various steps along the way are bullshit. There have been serious conflicts of perspective among members

 

why would I "admit" Oregon/Washington were the final straw when they weren't? The final straw was the shit sandwich media deal Kliavkoff presented to the Pac-12 on Wednesday. The 5M/year production cost clause wasn't reported about on Wednesday, but I was told schools knew, at least Oregon did, it was going to be in the final contract.

the narrative that 7 schools showed up in lock-step-solidarity on Friday is being pumped out by just a couple of sources. I don't believe it for a second

 

Assuming UO and UW actually no-showed. I've seen conflicting reports on that...

AZ had already confirmed multiple times that it was leaving if there was a better financial offer. And I don't blame them. They made it VERY clear that they needed to be at least even with the Big12. Which is why the PAC didn't make their offer sooner. The news of the 4 corner schools negotiations with the Big12 (and Colorado pulling the trigger) is what finally forced the hand of the PAC to show their cards. Turns out the PAC was bluffing...

The Big12 was offering 50-100% more than the PAC's bait and switch offer on Thursday. Friday's meeting wasn't going to change that.

 

The offer was the final straw. AZ was as good as gone. They had said so publicly. Multiple times. Colorado was ALREADY gone. ASU was going to follow AZ (just like OSU and WSU would follow UO and UW if they could). Of course Utah was gone as well... why wouldn't they be?

I haven't seen anybody in here kicking the Beavers or WSU. Pretty much everyone wishes the PAC had done a better job and had an acceptable offer.

 

I don't care one way or the other. AZ literally said they would seek a better financial situation if it were available. The Big12 has been offering double what the PAC was offering. Pretty simple.

I've quoted it several times. You don't want to believe it, but it's been quoted, with links. Not sure why it's so important for you to ignore that, but it's a fact. AZ was gonzo. ASU was following, and Utah wasn't going to turn down double the money.

 

You can scroll back a few pages. I was posting tweets as they were happening in here. Arizona wanted out the night before.

 

Wanted out but ASU wasn't leaving and Utah was very noncommittal until oregon and washington pushed their chips to the B10. I've lived on this reporting through the whole saga but whatever in the end it doesn't matter.

 

Yeah, but that was always my point. The order of teams leaving/wanting to leave was:

USC
UCLA
Colorado
Arizona
Oregon
Washington
Arizona State
Utah

It's hard to blame UO and UW when they were the 5th and 6th teams to decide it was time to bail.

 

Arguing over why the Pac 12 is folding, and who is responsible.......

 

What else is there to do at this point? Unless the PAC merges with the MW, it's probably dead.

 

I want to be 100% clear that I do not condone the Oregon fans making fun of "No Natty" guy with memes like this... Stay out of the mud Duck fans!

 

Ewe go dude!

 

No Natty guy will always hold a special place in my heart.