Pac 12... 11... 10... 9... 8... 7...6...5...4... POOF!

I think I've been to high school JV games with more people in the stadium.

 

Winning boosts attendance.

 

My daughter just played soccer in that stadium against CAL two weeks ago and there was MORE people there! HA!

 

Last time I was there the place was sold out vs Oregon. But that was a while ago ........
DeSean Jackson was playing.

 

Pac-12, Mountain West reportedly considering promotion-relegation system amid merger talks

Getting creative. I like it! Doubt it'll happen, but a cool idea.

 

Yeah I really like that, just have PAC as an 8 team conference with a championship game or something and rest of the league stays in MWC. Swap worst/best team each year. 1 or 2 conference games can be with lower/upper division so eventually all teams play.

Probably need to add 2 outside teams as well to get 8 teams in each. Currently there is 12 MWC teams, WSU, OSU.

 

Wow super interesting format, I love the creativity;

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The relegation system would work as such: The first-place team from the Mountain West regular season is promoted to the Pac-12 for the next season and the last-place team in the Pac-12 is relegated to the Mountain West. The No. 6 and No. 7 teams in the Pac-12 play to not get relegated, and the No. 2 and No. 3 teams in the Mountain West play for promotion.

This creates two promotion/relegation games with real stakes, while also preserving a Pac-12 title game with the potential to set the league up for a bid in the 12-team College Football Playoff.

The model also creates a framework to setup in-season matchups, either across the two leagues or with the promoted and relegated teams facing off to open the season.
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They do have a real legit argument with 16 teams that the winner deserves one of those 12 playoff spots. Yes the Pac would be possibly the weakest of the big5 conferences, but many of those stronger conferences would have multiple teams in the playoffs, whereas the Pac would be better than any of the other lesser conferences.

Actually could make west coast football very unique and entertaining with this relegation system as well as lack of east coast travel UO UW etc schools will all be dealing with.

 

I really like that idea.

 

Would the conferences need to bring in some consultants from the EPL? Where else do they use relegation systems? Seems like it could get pretty complicated with sports besides football, idk..

 

yeah, it's creative and might be the only way this collection of teams can remain relevant

I doubt it could legally happen until the MWC GOR with ESPN expires in 2026.

But if they were able to get this deal in place for the 2026-27 season, even provisionally, in the next few months, it would accomplish 2 important things: the first is it would likely allow OSU/WSU a scheduling agreement with the MWC because right now, both schools have at least 18 vacancies on their schedules over the next 2 seasons. And that's just in football. They have the same issues in basketball, men's & women's, and in all Olympic sports

the 2nd thing it would do would be to allow the merged PAC+MWC to begin negotiations with media for a joint GOR. I think a lot of MWC schools would be reluctant to merge with the PAC without a solid indication of what they could expect from a media pay-out. And that would be essential for OSU/WSU because they will be facing the next 2 seasons without any media money coming in (which is why they are desperate to squeeze as much money from the corpse of the Pac-12 as they can)

they need 16 teams because to be recognized as a conference there need to be 8 teams. I'm not sure why both teams need to be from the Dakotas. That's a long ways from OSU/WSU. I'd look at Sacramento State and Montana. SacSt just beat Stanford & Montana always has a good team; and they have a 25,000 seat stadium they sell out regularly

 

Too many other sports involved that would mess that idea up in my opinion.

 

for sure there would be plenty of complications

the main one would be the political complication of which 6 MWC teams are automatically slotted to the top-tier in year 1. SDSU, BoiseSt, and FresonSt all would probably feel they belonged in the top-tier. Maybe the other 11 teams (9+2 new) would agree; maybe not

and that would get pretty acrimonious pretty fast if the media pay-out was based upon relegation. Wyoming might fight hard if they were getting 5M/year while Boise St was getting 10M/year. Politically and practically it would seem the only way to sell relegation is if all 16 schools received equal shares. And, would any relegation factor depend on attendance figures?

and would relegation only be for football? Would there be a 16-team conference in basketball?

 

If they kept it to football and basketball it would be nice and clean

 

Jonathan Smith listed as one of favorites to replace Mel Tucker at Michigan State

https://saturdayoutwest.com/oregon-...CQMC_O0HWmPYuJLhxhPmlThcad9HY&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

 

Can't have him.

 

Let him out of his contract - OSU has insane budget problems.

 

Isn't there at least one soccer league in Europe that does this? In Great Britain I believe?

 

"American soccer does not have promotion and relegation, making Major League Soccer one of the only first-division professional soccer leagues in the world where clubs don't have to fear the drop."
Meaning, most first-division professional soccer leagues in the world Do have relegation.
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/exp...ill-mls-ever-change/7a2v9a1dga8v116cbjr5lspl1

 

Whooooo.... 24 team conference with 3 tiers???

https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/

Here is the article;

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The latest round of conference realignment has left Group of 5 schools (and Pac-12 leftovers Oregon State and Washington State) wondering how to remain competitive and maintain conference stability.

They’re considering an idea most commonly used in sports across the pond: promotion and relegation.

Boise State associate athletic director Michael Walsh has created what is believed to be the first formal proposals on the subject. He has written an in-depth plan for a three-tiered alliance of 24 FBS football teams in Pacific, Mountain, and Central time zones, with the opportunity for promotion and relegation at the end of each season.

The 22-slide PowerPoint, obtained and reviewed by Front Office Sports, has been shared with athletic directors in and outside of the conference, as well as with Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez.

“Many, many folks are kicking around concepts of relegation/promotion, or mega-leagues,” Nevarez told FOS. But “this is probably the first I’ve seen of someone really putting pen to paper, and looking at it comprehensively.”

Walsh’s goal: to create a lucrative football package while allowing Olympic sports to avoid the coast-to-coast travel now required in Power 4 leagues.

The proposal begins by telling athletics officials to “control what you can control.” In reference to the Power conferences, it asks: “Do you want to be at the kids’ table under the same roof, or eating at a different establishment?”

Much like in European soccer leagues, teams would be promoted or relegated at the end of every season based on performance. For example, the worst-place team in Tier 1 would be relegated to Tier 2, and the “conference” champion of Tier 2 would take its place.

Walsh suggests the Mountain West and Pac-12, as well as regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA, or WAC, could participate. All other sports, including men’s basketball, would remain in their current conferences in order to “maximize” the opportunity for NCAA postseason automatic qualifiers.

The first football tier could be a fifth Power conference, though Walsh noted that decision would ultimately lie with the College Football Playoff and NCAA, who award the designation for voting power and revenue distribution.

The proposal suggests modest bonuses based on a base sum for each tier, performance bonuses, and a specific bonus for ”tier status.” The amount of this revenue, however, would depend on the media contract. Walsh suggested the alliance target NBC/Peacock, Apple, and Amazon as partners — given they’ve all shown an interest in football, but have much less inventory than Fox, ESPN, and CBS.

It’s unclear how much traction the proposal will receive, though the Mountain West now has plenty of time to consider more creative ideas. Oregon State and Washington State will likely not make any decisions about conference realignment until their lawsuit against the conference is resolved —- which could take months.

Meanwhile, the Mountain West has already begun considering more traditional scenarios. It has courted Oregon State and Washington State and explored taking on the Pac-12’s name and intellectual property, as FOS previously reported.

“It’s the right time to think differently and consider what the next generation will wish we had done, rather than putting a bandage on yesterday’s problem,” Walsh said.​

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