<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Beef)</div><div class='quotemain'>name me 5 schools that have produced 2 "Franshice" quarterbacks</div> disclaimer; I am not saying BQ is bad just that ND generates alot of hype that doesn't pan out more often than not BYU (Steve Young & Jim McMahon), Miami, Fl (Kelly & Kosar), Bama (Namath & Stabler), Stanford (Plunkett & Elway), and Washington (Brunnell & Warren Moon)... just for laughs Ole Miss (Archie and Eli Manning). The 1st three were easy. The others required some thought. If you look at the Geography, I had an advantage.</div> Ill take them one at a time.... 1.Young and MCMahon....Jim McMahon was never even close to a franchise QB....he was servicable....so BYU doesnt qualify.... 2.Miami, FL is acceptable 3.Namath is the most overhyped QB of all time....the one thing hes known for(Super Bowl 3) is a game in which he didnt even play well....I cant give you Namath....so unless you find another one, no to Bama 4.Stanford is acceptable 5.Did you actually list Brunell? Thats a joke right? No to Washington 6.Archie never was, but Eli is....but thats still just one....so no to Ole Miss Im conceding 2....you will have to do better to get to 5....</div> About getting off topic, Beef threw down a challenge & I love a challenge. Though, he IMO made it quasi-rhetorical but his use of quotataions around franchise. I'll let side-topic die a slow death. However... 3. What QB has meant more to the Jets than Namath? 5. If memory serves, you have some personal animosity towards the team in N Florida. But, what QB has meant more to that franchise to date. 6. Same logic for the Saints & Archie. Further, Eli isn't established yet. Y.A. Title & Frank Gifford supercede the youngest Manning I was going to say Michigan. But, other than Tom Brady, I drew a blank
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cubuffsman78)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DaPackersGb)</div><div class='quotemain'>Please make your own topic then and bring the convo there.</div> It's a free speech forum...unless we piss a mod off...we'll topic about any topic we want to topic...</div> I know that but theres that un-offical forum rule for every forum. KEEP ON TOPIC. I have been here longer then you and I know what VF and the mods think. Topic can die now. Thanks Beef.</div> It's called a joke...don't take the forum so seriously...so you're pulling rank on me cause you've been here longer? We're in the military now? I didn't know you were smarter or better than me cause you've been here longer...I even used the word topic the wrong way in a sentence twice which gave the sentence no meaning at all! Sheesh...relax man...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>About getting off topic, Beef threw down a challenge & I love a challenge. Though, he IMO made it quasi-rhetorical but his use of quotataions around franchise. I'll let side-topic die a slow death. However... 3. What QB has meant more to the Jets than Namath? 5. If memory serves, you have some personal animosity towards the team in N Florida. But, what QB has meant more to that franchise to date. 6. Same logic for the Saints & Archie. Further, Eli isn't established yet. Y.A. Title & Frank Gifford supercede the youngest Manning I was going to say Michigan. But, other than Tom Brady, I drew a blank</div> I guess it didnt die....anyway, the point of the exercise was to demonstrate that no school has a lock on QB success or failure....while researching the point further with BF1, we came up with Purdue as the only school that had produced 3 "Franchise" QBs(Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Drew Brees).....and 2 of those guys are marginal, so it could go either way....so theres about a half dozen schools that have produced two, and a bunch of schools that have produced one, and even more schools that have produced none....If Lienert works out, thats two for USC....If Palko works out, Pitt has two....If Brohm works out, Louisville has two....it goes on and on, but you cant judge any player on what school he plays for....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>About getting off topic, Beef threw down a challenge & I love a challenge. Though, he IMO made it quasi-rhetorical but his use of quotataions around franchise. I'll let side-topic die a slow death. However... 3. What QB has meant more to the Jets than Namath? 5. If memory serves, you have some personal animosity towards the team in N Florida. But, what QB has meant more to that franchise to date. 6. Same logic for the Saints & Archie. Further, Eli isn't established yet. Y.A. Title & Frank Gifford supercede the youngest Manning I was going to say Michigan. But, other than Tom Brady, I drew a blank</div> I guess it didnt die....anyway, the point of the exercise was to demonstrate that no school has a lock on QB success or failure....while researching the point further with BF1, we came up with Purdue as the only school that had produced 3 "Franchise" QBs(Len Dawson, Bob Griese, Drew Brees).....and 2 of those guys are marginal, so it could go either way....so theres about a half dozen schools that have produced two, and a bunch of schools that have produced one, and even more schools that have produced none....If Lienert works out, thats two for USC....If Palko works out, Pitt has two....If Brohm works out, Louisville has two....it goes on and on, but you cant judge any player on what school he plays for....</div> Exactly...it's more about the system than the school. Steve Spurrier couldn't develop an NFL QB to save his life. Although, Rex Grossman seems to be an exception, but the others like Danny Weurfeul and Jesse Palmer were simply system QBs. The same could be said for Jeff Tedford now at Cal. Kyle Boller is yet to work out for the Ravens and thought we're yet to see much of him thanks to Mr. Favre, there's a lot of speculation surrounding Aaron Rodgers. He's also responsible for Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Akili Smith. The complete lack of success that these guys have had will play into Nate Longshore's draft status some, not a lot, when he decides to come out. Even when QBs do come from a system that doesn't produce QBs, they aren't downgraded a lot because of that system. It's about the individual. It's about the individual's awareness, arm strength, accuracy, coachability, on and on and on....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kyle Boller is yet to work out for the Ravens and thought we're yet to see much of him thanks to Mr. Favre, there's a lot of speculation surrounding Aaron Rodgers. He's also responsible for Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington and Akili Smith. The complete lack of success that these guys have had will play into Nate Longshore's draft status some, not a lot, when he decides to come out.</div> Boller looked pretty good filling in for McNair last week. I still don't think he's ever really been put into a situation where he can excel. Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, so it's kind of hard to lump him in as unsuccessful. David Carr is playing on an expansion team with one of the worst offensive lines in football. He's been sacked more times in four years than any other QB in NFL history. I think Rodgers will be successful when he gets his shot. But he might not get that shot for another year.
