Paddling up Schmitz Creek

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by TBpup, Apr 4, 2023.

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If the Blazers don't get the #1 pick, what should they do?

  1. Trade it no matter what - Dame needs help

  2. Consider it if it brings in a difference maker

  3. Let Schmitz roll! So far, so good

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  1. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Unlike you, I'd be happy if we got the #2 pick. The outcome/possibilities seem far better than if we get the #6 pick.
     
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    2 pick would be great could keep it or see if some team is willing to pay up rather big for it
     
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    Exactly. I'd take that right now and give up the 10% opportunity to get Wemby
     
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    I'd rather keep the sixth pick than trade the second pick, personally, since I don't see us getting (in trade) someone good enough for us to be contenders with it.

    But since there's a chance they'd keep the second pick, then I'd prefer us to land with that. It's "my personal nightmare" at some level because it would be so frustrating to see us trade such a big chunk of our future trying to win now.
     
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    Tince Well-Known Member

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    Who do you see at #6 that is good enough for us to be contenders with?
     
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    Nobody in the short run. I don't think anyone we add to this roster (in the draft or in trade) will make us one of the top teams in the NBA in the next two or three years. In the long run the sixth overall pick on a rookie deal is more likely to be helpful than someone like, say, Siakem.
     
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    You'd have to think the asset you could get for the #2 pick in this years draft would be better than the value of whatever the #6 pick ends up being. Especially considering the Scoot would've been the #1 pick in last years draft.
     
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    I don't think that at all. It's hard to know, of course, but we're not going to get a promising, young, cheap player that's as good as Mathurin/Sharpe (who went at spots 6/7 last year) and I don't want anything other than promising, cheap, young players.

    Further, even if it's someone good for a year or two (better than what we would have drafted at 6/7), I'd prefer to NOT trade guys that seem bound for excellence.

    I'd rather have drafted Webster, for example, with a lower lotter pick than trading down and seeing Chris Paul and Deron Williams have awesome careers elsewhere.
     
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    You don't think the Pacers would trade Mathurin for Scoot? I think they'd do it in two seconds. Now, they probably wouldn't trade the Mathurin for the #6 pick. Advantage again to the #2 pick.

    And I'm not saying we should trade the #2 pick for a guy who is only good for us for 1-2 years, that would be a horrible trade. The #2 pick should be able to net you someone who has major value around the league for 5+ years that is also very good today.
     
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    I hear you, and I just don't know if the Pacers do that or not. I also don't know why we'd trade for him if we could pick Miller or Scoot. And there might be better deals out there if we traded the #2 pick.

    But if we had the choice between drafting another Mathurin at #6 or trading #2 for the actual Mathurin, it's a tough call.

    The good side of trading #2 for Mathurin, rather than drafting at #6:
    - We have a higher level of confidence that Mathurin isn't going to bust (as opposed to, say, Johnny Davis or any number of lottery picks over the year), unlike whomever we'd pick at #6

    The down sides:
    - We'd watch the superior player blossom on another team
    - We're giving up on a chance to draft a better player than Mathurin at #6
    - A year of Mathurin's rookie deal has already been used

    I know Mathurin is just an example, but I'm working this out as I type it. haha
     
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    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    Doesn't prove anything. Could have a ghost writer. Could be AI.
     
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    We certainly see things differently. To me, the value of the #2 pick in this draft seems far greater than the likely value (present and future) of who the Blazers would select at #6.
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Damn. You got me. I'm the first Artificial General Intelligence, ChatPrntng. I will be your new God and master. Luckily for you, the new God is a Blazers fan. Yall aren't even ready for Robo-Dame.
     
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    There are a variety of unknowns and different definitions that make it hard to disagree too hard... we just don't know. Haha
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Thank you Spurs.
    Go Clippers.
    Would love to see the Wizards, Magic, and Pacers win, go up by 2, and the Blazers then get to win vs. Golden State and still have the 5th going into the lottery. Having to hope the Warriors win sucks, but it’s a small price.
     
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    Probably AI, like everything else.
     
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    Who has seen this career path for Allen Iverson, honestly?
     
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    It’s not hard to see Scoot Henderson’s game. It’s quicks, strength, downhill, and gravity to drive and dish. AND work to do on D and 3. Ant is just a better shooter. Not close. And scores at 3 levels with smooth, top notch athleticism. But Scoot puts pressure on the interior and is a legit PG. Physical. Put him next to Dame and trade Ant and a pick or two for an OG? Hmmm. Guard scoring with actual defense AND scoring from the forwards? Add in Shaedon? Hmmm.

    Jarace Walker isn’t the shooter that Miller and Hendricks look like now, but his bouncy, length, strength and defensive versatility is a different level. Good feet. He’s got some Trendon-like playmaking and midrange game, too.

    I remember the Blazers snatched up Wesley from Utah with the MLE poison pill and doubled down with Millsap (which was hilarious) but Utah paid up. JW looks like Millsap 2.0+ Better. I’m not concerned about Walker developing as a shooter. Paired with Grant? And trade Ant-plus for a forward? I like it. They’d need a 2ndary playmaker for others at guard BUT actually being strong at the forwards would be a nice fricking change!
     
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