I figured you were talking about Miller, but I didn't bring it up. Was it a cheap shot, yes but you've got too look at it from Kobe's angle. He was being raped repeatedly, everyone has a breaking point. It's unfortunate, but things happen...I'm sure if you asked them, they'd have no grudge against each other. Shaq wouldn't be a Laker, did you miss when Shaq came out and said Kobe was right when he said that the management told him that Shaq wasn't coming back? Shaq was out of shape, not dedicated, and simply wanted to much money. He wanted an extension that gave him 30 million a year. Nobody in their right mind was going to pay him that, and nobody did. Why are you trying to debate that when everyone and their mother has came out and said Kobe here or not, Shaq wasn't returning? And also, if I recall correctly...Shaq requested a trade anyways after we were ousted by the Pistons in the finals....am I wrong? I do agree with Gasol, he has every right to call out for his team to make changes. Hell, I think every superstar has that right to do that. Winning drives most superstars, if they're team isn't winning and isn't trying to get those pieces around them to win...they've got every right to be pissed off.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I figured you were talking about Miller, but I didn't bring it up. Was it a cheap shot, yes but you've got too look at it from Kobe's angle. He was being raped repeatedly, everyone has a breaking point. It's unfortunate, but things happen...I'm sure if you asked them, they'd have no grudge against each other.</div> Come on man, plenty of people get "raped" repeatedly and don't retaliate like Kobe did. They gotta play within the game. You have to keep your cool, because it will hurt your team. Kobe being suspended for a couple of games certainly didn't help the Lakers. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq wouldn't be a Laker, did you miss when Shaq came out and said Kobe was right when he said that the management told him that Shaq wasn't coming back? Shaq was out of shape, not dedicated, and simply wanted to much money. He wanted an extension that gave him 30 million a year. Nobody in their right mind was going to pay him that, and nobody did. Why are you trying to debate that when everyone and their mother has came out and said Kobe here or not, Shaq wasn't returning? And also, if I recall correctly...Shaq requested a trade anyways after we were ousted by the Pistons in the finals....am I wrong?</div> If no one paid him $30 million, then why is that the reason for him leaving? Him demanding a trade is good enough answer. The $30 mil extension is pretty much irrelevant because he didn't get that from the Heat anyway. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I do agree with Gasol, he has every right to call out for his team to make changes. Hell, I think every superstar has that right to do that. Winning drives most superstars, if they're team isn't winning and isn't trying to get those pieces around them to win...they've got every right to be pissed off.</div> As long as he doesn't completely trash the management I'm ok for Gasol and any other superstar to ask for more help. I hate it when they feel that they are obligated to be on a contending team and demand a trade. The Gasol situation is way different from the Kobe situation.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Come on man, plenty of people get "raped" repeatedly and don't retaliate like Kobe did. They gotta play within the game. </div> Some people are also soft. I'm not going to overreact about Kobe playing in an old-school manner. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> If no one paid him $30 million, then why is that the reason for him leaving? Him demanding a trade is good enough answer. The $30 mil extension is pretty much irrelevant because he didn't get that from the Heat anyway. </div> Shaq got himself out of LA. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> As long as he doesn't completely trash the management I'm ok for Gasol and any other superstar to ask for more help. I hate it when they feel that they are obligated to be on a contending team and demand a trade. The Gasol situation is way different from the Kobe situation.</div> How can one say that it is wrong to trash management? In Kobe's case at least, he has a point.
<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Some people are also soft. I'm not going to overreact about Kobe playing in an old-school manner.</div> Yeah so I guess every other superstar must be soft then. When has Tim Duncan ever done that? When has Kevin Garnett ever done that? When has Lebron/D Wade ever done that? I suppose all of them are soft as hell then. Again, I would hate my superstar player being suspended for multiple games for "not being soft". <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq got himself out of LA.</div> Fair enough, just don't use the $30 mil extension as an excuse for you not resigning him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How can one say that it is wrong to trash management? In Kobe's case at least, he has a point.</div> They pay his insane contract. It's not like they aren't trying. Gasol/KG are handling it the right way. Kobe did not.
Why not Lamar odom and some picks for next year for gasol? salaries match LOL since we have pau's bro... he might force this trade to happen
I don't understand how the 30 million dollar excuse isn't relevant. He demanded that from the Lakers, and we told him to screw off...he settled for less money in Miami, which made it pretty evident that he didn't even want to be in L.A.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't understand how the 30 million dollar excuse isn't relevant. He demanded that from the Lakers, and we told him to screw off...he settled for less money in Miami, which made it pretty evident that he didn't even want to be in L.A.</div> The better question is: what does that have to do with the topic? This thread has gotten too far off the beaten path. We need to cut it down to Gasol-to-LA talks and only Gasol-to-LA talks. From now on, Mamba and the rest of the forum mods will delete any posts not addressing the topic at hand.
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers just don't have the pieces to get Gasol unless they want to trade Kobe. It's that cut-and-dry; end of discussion. On a side note, that's not exactly a trade demand. He's been saying that kind of stuff since last January, and frankly, the Grizzlies have done a pretty good job of surrounding him with the right talent, so it's a moot point.</div> Lets Trade Kobe for Gasol... we'd have a huge froncourt to compete with Portland and Seattle and Phoenix and San Antonio... wow I just realized its that bad out here in the West... *ouch*
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The better question is: what does that have to do with the topic? This thread has gotten too far off the beaten path. We need to cut it down to Gasol-to-LA talks and only Gasol-to-LA talks. From now on, Mamba and the rest of the forum mods will delete any posts not addressing the topic at hand.</div> I agree that the posts should stick to the topics at hand but most of the threads spiral into something else, for example if there were trade talks about Jermaine for Bynum and then a reports came in saying Jermaine for Odom, it would make no sense to continue discussing Jermaine for Bynum. I agree that sometimes these threads sprial into petty arguements, but sometimes it works for the good as well.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah so I guess every other superstar must be soft then. When has Tim Duncan ever done that? When has Kevin Garnett ever done that? When has Lebron/D Wade ever done that? I suppose all of them are soft as hell then. Again, I would hate my superstar player being suspended for multiple games for "not being soft". </div> Well the key word that I used was some. A few players in the NBA are indeed soft. Never did I say that Kobe needed to use that amount of force or that Duncan/Garnett were soft. I don't see what the big deal is, Mike Miller hit Kobe around the eyes, he should expect a somewhat physical retort. And LeBron has hit a few people (and I'm somewhat of a LeBron supporter btw). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Fair enough, just don't use the $30 mil extension as an excuse for you not resigning him. </div> Why not? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> They pay his insane contract. It's not like they aren't trying. Gasol/KG are handling it the right way. Kobe did not.</div> What have they done the last three years? Kobe is only getting heat because he "flip flopped", as if that were the end of the world.
<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lets Trade Kobe for Gasol... we'd have a huge froncourt to compete with Portland and Seattle and Phoenix and San Antonio... wow I just realized its that bad out here in the West... *ouch* </div> That is one route if I was a Laker fan to take in trading Kobe if we were trading him. Trade him to Memphis for Gasol and Mike Miller, but a) Kobe won't accept a trade to Memphis and who knows if Memphis would even deal that when they already have a young core that they are trying to build to compete. So it's a moot point.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That is one route if I was a Laker fan to take in trading Kobe if we were trading him. Trade him to Memphis for Gasol and Mike Miller, but a) Kobe won't accept a trade to Memphis and who knows if Memphis would even deal that when they already have a young core that they are trying to build to compete. So it's a moot point.</div> It's too easy to say its a moot point people said that about trading Shaq when rumors spread and it wasnt that moot... But I agree on this one the Lakers wouldnt trade him to a west coast team where we would face him four times this season I think chances are better with an eastern conference team if anything... During the draft Mitch Kupchak announced to Jim Gray that "no one is untouchable and that no GM can honestly say otherwise about their own players" so it gives me hope that he is looking to revamp the team because with the stuff they have now theres no chance we even make the playoffs next season.
<div class="quote_poster">GatorsowntheNCAA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That is one route if I was a Laker fan to take in trading Kobe if we were trading him. Trade him to Memphis for Gasol and Mike Miller, but a) Kobe won't accept a trade to Memphis and who knows if Memphis would even deal that when they already have a young core that they are trying to build to compete. So it's a moot point.</div> That's a lot to ask for in return for Kobe. Miller's a borderline All-Star, but I guess with the past he has with Kobe, he'd have to be included in the trade anyway. Maybe if the Lakers threw in Crittenton and a future first rounder, then it'd balance out.
