Politics Paul Allen gives $500K to Washington gun initiative

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I'm afraid you are absolutely not correct (but thank you for linking the text so that I can prove you wrong!).

    Check Section 3, paragraph 4(f)(ii). It specifically exempts loaning your gun out at a firing range from the law.

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  2. magnifier661

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    Wrong... Read up and it is limited to only a spouse or domestic partner. Unless you think friends are your domestic partner... LOL!

     
  3. PtldPlatypus

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    Those are separate, independent exceptions. (i) Spouse OR (ii) gun range OR (iii) shooting competition OR (iv) to a minor for hunting.

    Barfo's right (damnit).
     
  4. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Ahhhh okay I stand corrected
     
  5. Eastoff

    Eastoff I admit it, I own a Meyers Jersey

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    Must spread rep!! I appreciate gun owners that can see what I feel are common sense situations. I don't really have a big problem with general public owning guns, though it does make me uncomfortable personally. But I do have a problem when people start selling guns to others or "lending" guns to friends without a background check. Everyone agrees, they don't want guns in the hands of criminals.
     
  6. Eastoff

    Eastoff I admit it, I own a Meyers Jersey

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    So do you now support the bill? Despite none of us in the conversation living in Washington.
     
  7. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I don't mind waiting 11 days for my guns. It's fine with me. I am up in arms about silly gun restrictions in California. But that's entirely a different subject.
     
  8. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I must read the entire bill to make judgement, but it seems no different than what I'm used to in California. I had no idea that people in Oregon and Washington can sell a gun without registration. That's pretty crazy actually! Haha
     
  9. PtldPlatypus

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    Was that intentional? If so, well done.
     
  10. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Lol no!
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    A way around that would be a background check on entry into the range; then it's tacitly approved.
     
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    (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
    firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
    authorized by the governing body
    of the jurisdiction in which such
    range is located;

    Only applies on "government authorized" shooting ranges. This "allowance" would only apply to a tiny fraction of gun transfers, far less than a single percent of them. It would be a felony for me to hand off a gun to my wife in the midst of a home invasion. It would be a felony for my hunting partner to carry my rifle back to camp for me if I broke my ankle. It would be a felony for me to transport my gun in my friend's car trunk.

    These exemptions are for people who only have guns as "shooting toys". People who like to shoot targets, like it's a video game, and have disposable income to blow on the "privilige".

    privilege n. a special benefit, exemption from a duty, or immunity from penalty, given to a particular person, a group or a class of people.

    First off, few gun owners ever go to a "government authorized" shooting range because there's no such thing in most areas and there's no reason to go there if there was one in their area.

    Secondly, governments may "unauthorize" anything at the drop of a hat and without a vote of the people, so this is an empty carrot on a stick for you toy-shooters in order to buy your vote.

    Third, The Second Amendment was written and ratified to prevent infringements like this from ever being considered, suggested, or imagined.

    There is no such thing as a valid gun control law, regulation, or rule, in America. They are all Un-Constitutional attempts at overthrowing America by gradually disarming the populace and will be treated as such by all Real Americans.
     
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    Not crazy. Your Constitutional Right, unless you refuse to defend it.

    Sorry you live in a nanny state.
     
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    Awesome so I couldn't go shooting with buddies in the woods because the woods aren't an established gun range. That's ludicrous. Gun sales are one thing, but loaning a gun to a friend? So I couldn't loan one of my rifles to my dad to go hunting? Glad I don't live in Washington.


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    It makes a specific exception for spouses and domestic partners.
     
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    Correct. If your dad wants to use a gun, he needs to buy his own.

    Therefore, this measure is actually intended to increase gun ownership.
     
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    Maybe his wife is an illegal alien. Or an extraterrestrial alien. I could seen that being illegal. We don't want E.T. being armed.
     
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    Good for Paul! That's Allen Crabbe money right there
     
  19. MARIS61

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    ONLY AT GOVERNMENT APPROVED SHOOTING RANGES.

    Handing a gun to a family member in your own home would be a felony.
     
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    I don't think you are reading that right. I haven't studied it (and really don't want to) but look at page 8:

    (4) This section does not apply to:
    (a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this
    subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents,
    children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews,
    first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;
     

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