Do you really want to know what I think? I know the teleological argument, and I find it unconvincing. I suspect you've read all of the main counters to the teleological argument, and that you've found them unconvincing. We are unlikely to change each other's minds -- do we really need to go through the dance?
Hey TT did you see the link I posted to the Lawrence M. Krauss interview from this past weekend? It was really interesting. If you want to listen to it I can email it to you. Also do you listen to Michio Kaku's weekly radio show?
I missed that link -- good stuff? I'd be happy to give it a listen after Mag's movie tonight. I've read Kaku, but never heard his radio show... I didn't even know he had one. Thanks for the recommendations!
Here's what the Krauss interview was about - I have the Krauss interview in 3 .mp3 files that I can email to you. They're about 15 megs each so your email would have to accept 15 meg attachments. Email me at SlyPokerDog@yahoo.com if you want them. You can find Michio's radio show here - http://mkaku.org/ He has a new show every Tuesday and gets some amazing guests. You can find the most recent episodes here - http://www.kpfa.org/archive/show/51 There is also an embedded player here that has tons of his previous episodes - http://mkaku.org/home/?page_id=130
scientists don't use carbon 14 to date the earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
better to say scientific evidence has to be objectively demonstratable. creationists like to selectively take the term "reproducible" quite literally when it fits their agenda (only when it fits their agenda) - such as "we can't produce new species in a lab, so evolution didn't happen".
Mention that Carbon 14 isn't accurate? Yeah that's true. And yes they use it to measure the age of the Earth. They measure "Age of fossils" with it. Are fossils not part of the Earth? Enlighten me....
God could have used old rocks to make the earth. If I use a bunch of Legos from the 1960's to make a toy robot my robot is still a new creation, I just used old parts to make it.
Or if after seeing Silence of the Lambs if I decided to make a skin suit out of old ladies as long as I stretched the skin real tight I would look like a MILF.
Which is still well beyond the 10,000 years proposed by Young Earthers. But yes, it certainly doesn't provide the upper bound of scientific estimates. And I hear you regarding "reproducible", but again, the procedures leading to the recovery and analysis of evolutionary evidence are entirely reproducible. You don't necessarily need to see a smoking gun to figure out that a bullet was fired.
And hiding all those fossils in there like Easter eggs was certainly a nice touch. That crazy ol' god -- such a practical joker! Either evolution is true, or god did one hell of a job making it appear to be so.
