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    then try reading it as a logical argument. how can my choices be determinable before i make them if i have free will? it's a logical contradiction.
     
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    Because God doesn't decide what you do even if He knows what you will do. There are a lot of things God can do that don't make sense to us. You have every opportunity to repent and accept Jesus as your savior but you choose not to. Is that God's fault?
     
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    if god knows my choices before i make them then my choices are fixed before i make them. if my choices are fixed before i make them in what sense do i have free will?
     
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    ahhh god overcomes logical contradictions by magic! how neat.

    false. i'm incapable of genuine belief in something i have no reason to suspect is true. i don't have the choice to accept jesus any more than you have the choice to believe the sun revolves around the earth.
     
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    Your decision bro
     
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    Once you are in the universe you are according to my theory.
     
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    Let's expand this a little further. Let's say god created man, then woman. Okay the moment man was made, then all actions that take place in this universe are his free will. That's very easy. If you don't have control, you have free will. Doesn't matter if you already know what's going to happen, you still have no control.
     
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    I'm not saying I'm right. I am trying to explain it philosophically. And like you've said hundreds of posts before. Theory doesn't have to be right. It just has to be reasonable. So wouldn't this be reasonable?
     
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    You do know what reasonable means?
     
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    Yes
     
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    In this case I guess it means believing in mythical super-beings. :dunno:
     
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    Here is the exact debate in which dr Craig tackles the question of free will. I understand mine better, this makes sense as well.

     
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    He didn't get it.

    Reason and Faith are completely incompatible.
     
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    Actually I did, but you can think my description of creation is like the same as knowing what matter or physics outside the realm of the universe are like the farthest north to south; then I can see why you posted what you did.

    You see explaining logically what is outside the realm of knowing would require "faith". It's "logical faith". You, I or even modern science can't explain it. And those that have tried in science are considered "reasonable" and those that have tried in theism are considered delusional.
     
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    There is no matter or physics outside the realm of the universe. By definition.
     
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    And how do you know? Have we seen the outside of the universe? Do we even know anything exists? And you just helped my answer to all knowing. If matter or physics doesnt exist outside of the universe, then having an omnipresent being isn't too far fetched.

    Both science and theism operate on faith.
     
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    By whose definition? God's?
     
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    How so? Judging by your comments here you live by faith. Unless you want to narrow down the definition of faith to a belief in God.
     
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    I think you meant atheism and theism. True science and theism are best friends ;)
     
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    Oops my mistake. Yeah!
     

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