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This thread has been all over the place. And when the dust settles.... We will learn that a square is the universe and we are living in a circle.
How can people determine who is good? That was the original question of this thread, and an excellent question it is. But then someone must have had a typo because it quickly morphed into How can people determine who is god? In answer to the original question all humans have varying degrees of good and bad in them, and the balance may change at different times in their life. Nobody is all bad, all the time. Nobody is all good, all the time.
no, you ignored or didn't understand my response. the generalized statement "humans desire peace and love" is not even a moral topic. when you say that you are not making a claim about how humans think we should behave. desire for peace and love is irrelevant to your argument that what humans think we should and shouldn't do is the result of a magical infusion from god. what WOULD possibly be relevant evidence supporting your argument that morality is built into us by a higher power, is if humans agreed on what behavior we should use to achieve peace and love. but we don't.
So do you think it's moral for that soccer team that crashed in the Andes to eat each other for survival? And to go even further. Do you think it's moral for a woman to kill her 1 year old baby; because she found out that if she doesn't; her entire family would be killed?
Thank you! How can people determine what is good or bad? Very good question maris! How would you answer that?
Okay if 100% peace was to destroy entire civilizations, would you do it? What if, in your world, killing everyone that believed in God or Gods was without a shadow of a doubt scientifically proven to bring peace to the world; would it be okay to do it?
what i personally think isn't relevant, because for any answer i give you will find people who disagree with me. you were making a claim about moral prescriptions that humans agree about. if a hostile alien race appeared tomorrow humans would be widely split on what to do about it.
i'm not faced with a fence. your claim has nothing to do with me. what i think isn't going to change the fact that humans widely disagree about what is moral behavior. if moral knowledge is infused from god he apparently did a half-assed job. if you're asking me if i think genocide is immoral in order to change the subject, then yes i think that : )
So "genocide". Which isn't really the right term since "genocide" is more of a racist act. We are talking about a religious view. Has nothing to do with a race. This is about the proposed "well being" of humanity itself. So let me ask you the question again. If science undeniably proved that in order to establish pure peace was to eliminate religion from the face of the earth; and let's say they have a machine that can read the minds of everyone and can determine if they believe in a god; would it be alright to kill them?
This question is very similar to "if god told you to slaughter your family, would you do it?" Science could never possibly make that kind of assertion, so it really is a moot point.
the term genocide can be applied to any type of group including religious. no it would not be "alright", unless you stipulate that humanity is faced with immediate extinction unless we do it or something simliarly ludicrous.
Okay I'll give you it is also religious. But it's a little contridicting, since it is associated with "genome". So you think if humanity faces extinction; then genocide is okay?
