Philosophical question?

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    if there's a bomb in a building is it better to get whoever you can out or stand around and let everybody die?

    if you want to continue this further you should just go ahead and make your point.
     
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    Quite sure.
     
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    So you agree that genocide and the bomb in the building are about the same type of scenario? And Why should I get to my point? You are getting to it with each answer.
     
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    So what if a "lie detector" was fined tune without fault. Many believe it's almost there.
     
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    What does lying have to do with it?
     
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    Oh I thought you were talking about "Proving if someone actually believed in a God". Guess I misunderstood your answer. So what are you saying? You think Science can't determine if Religion or the belief in God is detrimental to peace? Before we go further; do you believe phychology is science?
     
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    I believe psychology is borderline science, but even that is not the question.

    Can we perfectly predict human behavior? Could we ever make the statement "if we do this, then humanity will have no reason to fight"? Can we eradicate a way of thinking for all time by killing all the people who currently think that way?

    The answer to all of these are pretty emphatic no's, as far as I can tell.
     
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    I don't know.
     
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    But wait a minute?!?! I thought morality is just a natural evolution and has no connection with God or a spirit? All we would have to do is find the information in the DNA; and we can make a perfect species. So how can we not predict human behavior; when it's just chemicals, protein and information imprinted in our DNA? Seems like a complete contridiction if you believe in Natural Selection.

    Also, zoology has been pretty "spot on" with many species in predicting their behavior; either by studying their anatomy and life on this planet. What makes us different?
     
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    At least you're honest.
     
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    Show me where anyone claimed that morality was governed by our DNA. I'll wait.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_ethics

    "Selfish Gene"

    According to this "theory"; through the evolutionary process, species have devoloped coping mechanisms to create a evolutionary stable strategy. If you can find this; which is imprinted on the DNA; then you will be able to unravel the history of "moral evolution" by knowing how specific "missing links" in mental evolution; you can create the perfect probability to alter this "genetic mutation", thereby altering how we can turn off certain emotions; value systems or whatever. Basically, if you know the history of the genome during catastrophic genocides, or even at a basic level as rape; you can actually prevent this "genetic mutation" from being passed to the next generation of human species.
     
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    The dead ones, you bet.

    Absurd scenario but of course not, that's pre-meditated murder.
     
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    They're lying.
     
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    Read that first piece you quoted again, carefully.
     
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    And MARIS69 and Denny.... Don't generalize the acts of muslims, budists, or any other religion other than Christianity; since that is the "Faith" I believe in, and completely disagree with the other forms of "Religion". You seem that telling me what the "Mayans" did, has any relevence to my belief.

    I see your "Christian killings or mass murder" and raise you.

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    So telling me that Christianity has killed 100 times over the amount of Atheist apologist, is not only false; but one of the biggest "Strawman" so far in this thread.
     
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    Cute...
     
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    Yes the dead ones.


    So do you think abortion is "pre-meditated murder"? How about euthanasia?
     
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    I did and glad you said that. Instinct is a program in the gene through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution right? So like I said, if you had the ability to unravel the "instincts" that trigger the morality; then couldn't you "de-program" humanity for acts of violence via the DNA?
     
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    I'm on my phone, or else I'd quote from your quote to show how you are misquoting it. According to your piece, moral systems have been developed to regulate instincts, they are not "triggered" by them. At a DNA level, there is very little that separates either one of us from some atheist leader-worshipper in North Korea -- it's been our external influences that have shaped our morals and world views differently.
     

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