There aren't all gay people that say that. Don't generalize a group based on what a single person, few or many say. All of us have different views. Some of us actually follow other views because we don't want to think for ourselves. I look at sin as sin because I don't know the difference. All I know is what the Holy Spirit and the Bible tell me. I don't trust any man except for Jesus Christ.
question begging the majority of philosophers agree morality exists independently from god. on the contrary, when people claim secular morality they tend to agree, and where moral disagreements do exist it is largely due to religious belief. thank you for clarifying that : )
"God hates f@gs" or that people claim gays themselves are an abomination to God. Things of that nature.
I never said all gays, just addressing the ones who do look for a reason to disbelieve. I said in my post earlier that there are many gay people who love and worship God.
Well, you implied it. Why ask if I am an anarchist? I did not say we must decide right from wrong individually. I simply said I don't call it playing god when I make decisions and judgments. I'm not playing god, in my opinion, when I don't punch people. As was stated earlier in this thread, I don't need to believe in god or the 10 commandments to believe morally that murder is wrong. So I don't go out and murder people. I do believe in a democratic system that allows society to judge as a majority what ends up being legal and illegal. I can disagree with it, like in the cases of gay marriage, etc. I can think it's, say, immoral, to deny two men who love eachother from getting married. That isn't anarchy. Just like it's not anarchy when you decide, as an individual, that the bible is right. YOU decided what was bad and good, right and wrong, etc. by believing in the bible and choosing to follow the words of it. So who are you to play god by deciding that is right?
The act of sexual intercourse with someone of the same gender is a sin, but no "being" gay is not a sin.
You agreed to what Rasta said. Would you like me to repost your agreement and what was actually taught in philosophy? Or are you disagreeing now because it goes against your argument? You just completely contridicted yourself. Do you know Nazi Germany actually believed they were the master race, and used the model of "evolution" for "Survival of the Fittest" to wipe out what they believed to be the weaker species? They didn't look at man as equal because they didn't believe in God's laws. They believed in "Evolution's laws". In the mind of evolution; we are all part of the same chemical components. That means, we are no different than the tree, ant, cow or space itself. So what makes killing millions of animals any different than killing millions of people if you truly believe you are superior to them? I don't agree with this one bit, and the danger of thinking man has this ability to make these decisions on their own can be destructive to this planet and ourselves. And you are welcome for clarifying it for you.
But you accept living in a society that commits murder. And if you believe in a "democratic system", then what would you do if the majority told you that you must believe in "God A"? Will you conform?
You are missing the point. And yes homosexuality is a sin according to my Hebrew God. Does that bother you? I arguably sinned more than many homosexuals that are my friends. Does me being a Christian give me the right to look at them like they aren't better than me? I don't think so. GOd loves me, and I just admitted that I've sinned more than many of my homosexual friends. Wouldn't that mean, I believe God loves them too?
I think this is important to note to those who think atheist societies can accurately define morals: During the twentieth century alone, some 170 million people were killed by other human beings. Of those, roughly 130 million people died at the hands of those holding the atheistic ideology. For example, Stalin killed forty million people, Hitler killed six million Jews and nine to ten million others (mainly Christians), and Mao killed some seventy million Chinese. In addition to this number could be added the more than one billion people worldwide who were aborted and killed in the wombs of their mothers during the twentieth century along. Comparatively, roughly seventeen million people were killed by professing Christians in the name of Christ in twenty total centuries of Christian history. No Christian today lauds them or calls them heroes. Rather, we condemn their misguided zeal. So in all of history, those proclaiming but possibly not professing Christian faith have killed only a tiny fraction of the number of people that atheists and followers of other religions killed in one century.
someone who doesn't believe the bible is true isn't going to derive their morality from it. you're saying nothing. a few make the argument that morality must come from god. most disagree.
mag, I think you misread or misinterpreted what rasta wrote. I accept living in a society that commits murder? Is the other option killing myself? I don't accept. Un fortunately, everyone's not listening to me when I tell them not to do it. God says it is wrong, and so do I. yet people still do it. You live in that same society. I have no clue what you're getting at there. Sorry. I also live in a society that gives us the freedom to choose our religion. If that failed to be the case, I would very likely leave. Although, i don't see how anyone can force you to believe. They can force you to practice his laws, etc. But actual belief isn't going to come from just someone telling you or making you.
You have completely twisted what I said either because you don't understand or don't want to admit. And forget about the Bible. You don't believe in it. I am asking you what gives you the right to decide what is or what isn't morally right? Why can our Country decide it's okay to put someone to death (and remember that our country doesn't believe in the Holy Bible right?!?!) or collectively agree that they can tear down millions of forest acres to build skyscrappers or kill millions of chickens to put on the dinner table? You belive in evolution and don't believe in God. Therefor you believe in "Survival of the fittest" right? So you don't have a problem with Nazi Germany killing millions of people because they think they are the superior species right? Or let's tone it down a bit. Let's say that the United States just decided that "A supernatural Meatball" has all the genetic code for life and tea bags planets to inject DNA. They adopt this religion because the people of the United States agree and make it law. Will you believe in the "Supernatural Meatball"? It is law by committee; so you must accept it.
you mean when he pointed out that the concept of god-given morality is meaningless and philosophers tend to agree that morality exists objectively without god? or did that go over your head? you're saying that without god you'd think there's nothing immoral about genocide. just thought i'd point that out.
I'm assuming that's a quote from Hitler? You realize Hitler was batshit crazy right? If you read Mien Kampf you'll see that he states numerous times that he wishes for the world to be purged of the evil that is Christianity. I wouldn't put it below Hitler to pose as a Christian in an attempt to destroy the faith. His action certainly don't scream "Jesus" to me.
