Pirates, Ninjas, Vikings (Was Big Time Centers Rookie #'s)

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agreed no place for that.

i also just from reading got a condescending/antagonizing tone from some posters and there is no place for that either.

lets talk some ball!

 

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And you forget Oden is a CORE player. Blake's job/"speciality" is NOT to score, it's to pass to..ODEN, LMA & ROY unless no time left in shot clock. Do you even watch the blazers? I LOL @ you, because you sound clueless.

And please, this topic is 5 pages of garbage.

 

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I agree that I was out of line for calling these guys names. I have never really done that before. But I was really frustrated. i was being called a cherry picker ( still don't know what that means ) and being told how much of a disservice I was doing to the board. Instead of ragging on me about how I SHOULD have done this or done that, just go back to your home forum. They spent 50 posts telling me what I should have done. This NEVER happened to me at BBF. Ed, you have to admit there are a lot of BS threads started on here, and this is where they decide to spend their time cracking on people. I want to be over here, but this isn't cool.

 

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yeah like mook said, there is a chance he will completely physically dominate the opposing center from time to time. when this happens, i see no reason why he should not be able to pour in 30 from time to time.

he will be bigger, stronger, and faster, than 90 percent of the nba centers. not to mention as skilled.

 

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Yeah, should have explained the low pace, as I referred to in the 2nd post I made in this thread. Your best players average 19, 17, 13 ppg...not exactly high. Compare to Magic: 20, 19, 18...with the other players averaging the same on each team, respectively.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Nate went that way, but there's a good chance that, as a rookie, that won't be happening too often. Nate's a smart guy, though, and a great coach - he'll know what to do with Oden.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that injury :embarrassed:

Thanks for the input, I completely forgot about Bayless, Rudy, and even Batum coming to the team.


There's also the rookie wall and fatigue to think about. With being out for so long, I just couldn't see Greg doing THAT well. I'd put him at around 9 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.5 bpg.

 

I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who actually uses "LOL".

Um...okay? You mad or somethin?

Oden is a core player, sure, but I see his specialty being defense. I thought I made it clear I haven't watched too many games - maybe if you actually read my posts, instead of focusing so much of your time on attempting to call me out, you'd realize that.

Keep laughing at me...whatever makes you feel better, buddy. Laugh till you piss yourself for all care.

 

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calling you a cherry picker is not really an insult, just saying you chose which players to add, which is your goddamn right. critiquing the centers in your original post caught pretty much EVERYBODY off guard i promise you. your original post was fine, and it has created discussion as well (if you sift through the other stuff), and i think it stands on its own merits.

people are always allowed, heck encouraged, to add other points that they think the original poster could have added. and create discussion about the original post, not the original posters technique.

 

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After all that, I will give my prediction. I'm thinking right around 15 and 10. We actually have a lot of fire power on this team now, and that might take away from some of his #'s. I'm thinking BRoy's scoring is going to go down this season. He won't have to take over like he did last year.

 

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A cherry picker is someone that just does the "best" stuff without doing the hard work. In basketball terms, a player that doesn't get back on defense so he can hang around the offensive basket for an easy bucket is a cherry picker.

Again, no one said you were doing the board a disservice nor was anyone ragging on you.

 

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i CAN see him overpowering people at the NBA level, many have already said he is RIGHT NOW one of the strongest players in the NBA.

Saying one of Blakes specialties is scoring is a little off. he can shoot a decent 3 ball, thats about it.

Alot of us are expecting Joel to not play too much this year, he played like 20mpg last year WITHOUT oden.

if oden is a defensive specialist, what does that make joel? people are thinking he will have slightly more impact than joel, on both ends of the floor. and i think joel is an "AVERAGE" center.

 

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I'm good. You know me man. I come on here to have fun, and VERY RARELY give a good valid opinion on basketball. I'm secure in my knowledge of hoops. But I will use the ignore feature for the first time. Thanks for talking man!

 

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What I'm interested in seeing--once he shakes the rust off--is what offensive moves he's developed during his injury. The word is that he's been working on a mid-range jumper ala David Robinson as well as using the backboard like Tim Duncan.

That being said, I see him being used as a garbage man his first year with the team. The team will run the offense through Roy and Aldridge and letting Oden clean up the scraps. They'll be an occasional P&R, but I think Nate will ease him into the offense.

 

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That's called a cherry picker? In Portland, we refer to that as a #50.

 

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I would never go so low as to call someone a ZBo

 

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3 pages and nobody has put up stats for additional C's picked number 1...

If Oden is going to be anywhere near as good as those from the original post, I think most in here are underestimating him. I expect big things from him. More than I would have last year if he hadn't been hurt. I'm expecting 15, 10 and 3.

 

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Even forgetting his injury, that's not the impression I got in watching Oden in college (and this was clearly before I had any idea my favourite team would be getting him). For his age, I thought his offensive game was surprisingly polished and deft. He had really good footwork and mobility around the hoop, and a nice touch with either hand. What I actually didn't see from him, that I expected going in, was him simply overpowering players with his physical gifts. He had the size and athleticism to simply go over and through any college defender, but didn't, by and large. As a result, I think he's ahead of the curve...he has a nicely developing offensive game and the physical traits he can exploit to be punishing to defenses.

I don't think Oden will be a premium offensive player as a rookie, but I think he can be a 25 PPG scorer in his prime (with a 30 PPG upside).

Here's a new comparison: Tim Duncan with greater power and athleticism.

 

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I am ZBo and I"M RICH BIAAATCH!!!!!!!

 

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Wow, I saw nothing wrong with the original post. If anything it was a reality check for Blazers fans.

Every Blazers fan I know projects Oden to score anywhere from 12-18ppg his rookie year. I didn't realize Ewing, Shaq, Olajuwon, & Robinson all scored over 20ppg. That is very impressive. And the inclusion of Howard was valid IMO as well since it's a comparison of somebody whom most people compare Oden's offensive game to right now.

I think a lot of people are underestimating Oden coming into this year offensively. How many centers in the league are going to be able to neutralize him 1-on-1? His footwork is great, he's got soft hands, he won't be the primary focus of opposing defenses, he can finish with both hands, and his shooting touch has improved from college.

My prediction is 16ppg 10rpg 3 blocks.

 

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I agree with those who look at those in the subject group and don't think Oden will match their ppg. None of those teams have the level of talent we do. On a typical lottery team, Oden would have been a #1 option. On this team, he'll be the third option at best.

How the hell do you defend a team where GREG FREAKING ODEN is the third option? How do you defend this team?