Plausible CJ trades that don't involve the Sixers?

I was listening to some hoops chatter online and a Bulls fan was talking up a trade for McCollum...apparently they have a glut of wings on the roster

 

Imean….he’s the president of the PA..but the mascot is interesting lol

 

I still like Toronto/Siakam. They’ve got a surplus in the front court. We’ve got a surplus in the backcourt. They’re backcourt is thin, all they’ve got is FVV and Trent. They don’t shoot well from the perimeter/deep and aren’t a very good offensive team in general (23rd in PPG)

mccollum and a first would be my offer

 

think this is a talent neutral but better fit and we get taller

 

Sabonis > Turner

 

not if we're getting rid of nurk. turner is who we hoped zach could be.

 

No picks either way. Ibaka is bought out after. The prize here is Terrance Mann on a bargain deal. 1.7M the next year and 11 each for the next 2 following. Athletic wing that fits how Chauncey wants to play. Kennard can be used down the line in other deals as he's a significant salary.

 

Looking around the league, there’s a lot of solid SG’s. Recent drafts have provided SG depth.

I really wonder what CJ’s trade interest actually would be from other teams on $30M

CJ for Love perhaps makes some sense; but Loves guaranteed through 23 while CJ is through 24 which is probably a negative from the Cavs perspective.

 

If NY is a fan of CJ I want Julius Randle

 

not surprising....

 

in the last 3 seasons, when CJ missed any stretch of games, Portland won at a rate of a 53 win season. And, 2/3rds of the games CJ missed, Nurkic missed as well, so that all suggests the Blazers need to make a change. CJ disrupts offensive flow and significantly hurts the defense. Further, I think it's too the point that when Dame & CJ are on the floor together they too often get locked into a 'it's-my-turn-it's-your-turn-it's-my-turn-again' iso offense. They entitle each other's bad shot selection and dribble-happy hero-ball. The best version of Dame has been when CJ is off the floor or hardly involved in the offense. Last I saw, Dame averaged 10 assists when CJ was out

The Dame/CJ experiment should have been ended at least 4 years ago

 

From Sports Illustrated. First part of article is just blasting Blazer culture, but here is most of the rest. Most interesting for me is that Portland makes teams work for a long time to get their shot, but then they are most likely to make it. Looks like a problem of sustaining energy?
"Lillard and McCollum bring plenty of scoring firepower. But the starting backcourt has always lacked the size or defensive chops to get consistent stops. Opposing teams see no resistance when it comes to getting into the paint, shooting 50% on runners—the highest mark in the NBA, per Synergy—against Portland. Opposing teams hit almost 39% of their triples against the Blazers, the highest mark in the league. Opposing teams have the highest effective field goal rate in the league against the club. All of which perhaps makes the next stat unsurprising: Statistically, the Blazers own the worst defense in the entire NBA, something that’s been true—or if not, very close to it—for the better part of the last three seasons now.

For the longest time, it’s been clear that a shakeup is needed. In Lillard and McCollum, the team generally has no problem scoring. But it miscasts Robert Covington—a great help defender, but one who’s long been overrated as a one-on-one stopper against elite wings—and finds itself out of alignment when teams swing the ball on offense. (Opposing offenses use more of the shot clock against Portland than any other team, per Inpredictable. But it makes no difference, with the Blazers unable to get stops.)

The most obvious fix would be to deal for Ben Simmons, who would theoretically give the Blazers the star defender they’ve long lacked while also giving them a valuable offensive weapon that approximates what Draymond Green does in the short roll with Golden State. Much like Stephen Curry, Lillard’s 35-foot range forces opposing defenses to send occasional half-court traps, forcing him to surrender the ball to someone who’d be playing downhill against a 4-on-3 scenario. Between the elite passing, and the athleticism that allows him to get a head of steam toward the rim, we know those are things the 6' 10" Simmons can do.

Of course there would be questions to ask before making such a deal. Is ownership comfortable with an interim general manager pulling the trigger on a deal for that much long-term salary for a player who’s showcased shortcomings underneath the brightest lights and been at the center of a headline-grabbing standoff with his team all season? (If the idea is for Portland to eventually find a permanent general manager instead, perhaps you don’t want the interim making a deal of that magnitude.) Does Lillard actually prefer Simmons to someone like McCollum—currently out with a collapsed lung—as has been reported?

And beyond that, how desperately does the organization need to seek Lillard’s sign-off? Certainly, the team positions itself better if it’s in step with what Lillard thinks and feels. But if the team ends up standing pat throughout the rest of this season and has no clear path upward this coming summer, the Blazers would be doing themselves a disservice to not at least explore what the market for a player like Lillard would yield."
https://www.si.com/nba/2021/12/09/blazers-damian-lillard-future-ben-simmons-trade-rumors

 

Pistons have no centers and could use Nurk's bird rights. CJ could work with Carlisle.


Dame
Powell
Grant
Nance
Turner

with Simons/Nas/Lamb/Zeller as your rotation.

 

The Pacers are reportedly looking for deals to kickstart a complete rebuild. They aren't going to trade Turner for an older player on a large contract who isn't even a star.

 

mixed signals on that one:

 

But that exact same report says that they want to see it through the rest of this season with both Sabonis and Turner. So either they aren't available and they'll try to turn around the season, or they are because Indiana has decided to rebuild. I don't think they're ever going to be in a mode where they trade future for present (Turner for McCollum).

 

A series of trades. Not a four team trade or any other form of multi team trade. Just one by one we make these trades. First we trade CJ and RoCo to Indy for LeVert and Turner. Next we take the protection off of the pick we owe Chicago in the upcoming draft, then trade Nurk, LeVert, our 2024 1st and our 2026 1st lottery protected to Toronto for Siakam. Lastly we trade Siakam to Philly for Simmons and possibly have the upper hand to also get a future pick coming back too. So the image was palatable I made it a four team trade but each individual trade works under the CBA. We also get under the luxury tax apron. We would have to sign a GLeaguer or FA on the buyout market to meet our roster minimum.


If all of this seems implausible I would trade CJ and RoCo for Turner and Levert to keep both of them and then see what we could get for Nurk. I'm sure some of you would leave the last trade out and just keep Siakam if we could get him and I understand that, I just think Simmons is a superstar forward on offense if playing with Dame, to go with his already incomparable defense.

 

Would Philly start Siakam with Harris?

 

That trade alone is implausible. If the Pacers start trading their best players, it's to rebuild--not to acquire an older, overpaid, non-star veteran. I don't see the Pacers being at all interested in McCollum, especially as a youth-for-veteran move.