Plausible destinations for our vets?

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  1. ant

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    I think they have to wait till end of Aug to trade JM. And can we also send them Murray?
     
  2. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like some teams are waiting for Markannan extension deadline to pass around Aug 8th. Maybe we see a Blazer deal shortly after that.

    I'd bet Cronin stands pat though and this is our roster to start the season. Will be very disappointing if so
     
  3. Pinwheel1

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    Why are teams waiting for the extension deadline? Because it takes him out of the equation?
     
  4. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Only disappointing if you expected more. I was pleasantly shocked by the Avdija acquisition. Cronin making zero moves until February would be perfectly in line with his brand.
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    Also perfectly in line with the impact of the new CBA provisions on trades. We're not exactly seeing mass movement of players around the league.
     
  6. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Sure, but I think you and I both know that a Grant trade could absolutely have been consummated by now, and I'm sure that there is at least some market for Simons, Thybulle, and Williams.
     
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  7. sheed30

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    So you're one of those...ya let's just ignore all the other positive things they both do, just so you can be a negative nancy and harp on some negatives. btw, Grant plays good defense and is a good piece on any championship team.

    And ya mention rebounding, yet we were 12 in the NBA in rebounding as a team....
     
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    I'm sure the Lakers would have taken him if Joe had been willing to accept a second round pick. Glad he's holding out for more. I'm betting that the Lakers will be more accommodating near the deadline.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I hold people accountable for their faults. Their weaknesses far over shadow their strengths on this team. Their unwillingness to improve on those specific weaknesses show they are definitely missing something you need if you want a strong foundation.

    Sure there are championship caliber teams that could use them. But that's not us.

    They don't fit here, and as such should be moved, IMO.

    Yes, we probably had a lot more opportunities for rebounds because we missed so many shots and couldn't slow our opponents down.
     
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    He can still be traded after his extension deadline, it just makes him an expiring. An extend and trade doesn't make tons of sense for him if he wants the max, because I don't think he can get that on an E&T. He can do a renegotiate and extend with Utah to get the max, but then can't be traded until near the deadline.
     
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  11. Cugel

    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Especially since Lebron and AD are simply killing it on team USA. As a Laker fan you dont want the GM to waste this window.
     
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    Unwillingness? Grant has never been a strong rebounder his whole career. But besides that, he does many great things.

    About the team rebounding, you will just pull anything out of your hat and put a negative spin on things. That point you said makes no sense lol

    do you ever say anything positive in here? Lol
     
  13. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    More missed shots = more opportunities for rebounds.

    Not sure why that confuses you.

    There is nothing positive about being a tall player who's bad at rebounding the ball or being incredibly athletic and a very bad defender.

    Defense and rebounding win championships because they give you more opportunities to score than the other team.

    I'm not in here to play make believe.
     
  14. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'm confused by @sheed30's claim that we were 12th in the NBA in rebounding.

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024.html

    We were 22nd in TRB (19th in TRB/100), and dead-last in DRB. The one area where we did well was offensive rebounding--2nd in total ORB (just 3 behind the Knicks), and 4th in ORB%. So yes, we had more offensive rebound opportunities than most teams, but we also did a better job there than most.

    Still, I firmly believe that defensive rebounding is more important (defense is irrelevant if you can't finish the possession), and the Blazers team as a whole was the worst in the league, largely due to Grant's ineptitude.
     
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    More missed shots are not because of those two bro, what are you smoking? Grant was 45% and 40% from 3. Ant was 43% and %39.....you know who was way worse and contributed to those misses you want to talk about?

    Scoot at 38% and 32% from 3. Sharpe was 40% and 33%, Sharpe regression in FG%

    Grant is a horrble defender? what? come on bro, you the most negative person on this person by a far mile. And you don't make any sense most the time
     
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    This...

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounds-per-game
     
  17. PtldPlatypus

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    Largely? He played 54 of the 82 games.
    No doubt he is not a good rebounder. Reminds me of Harkless but with a good 3 pt shot.
    Grant is a 6'6.5" (barefoot) 210 SF. He needs to do better, but I don't expect that much more.
     
  19. Phatguysrule

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    Nobody claimed more missed shots were because of Grant or Ant. That is a point that could possibly be made, but it wasn't.

    Nobody said Grant is a horrible defender. I said he's a horrible Ant is a horrible defender.

    Nothing makes sense to you because you aren't having an actual conversation, but blindly lashing out at those you disagree with.
     
  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Still, playing only 54 of 82 games, he played the most minutes on the team, and from the PF spot had a lower TRB% than everyone but Thybulle and Mays. So yes, "largely" is accurate.
     

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