Player(s) That Shouldn't Be In The NBA

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">Chungster, how about you answer durvasa?

By the way, I was the one that supposedly compared Reggie to Korver... Even though I clearly said that "Korver isn't gonna be the next Reggie". I was just using Reggie as an example that pure shooters that don't do much of anything else can make it AND be successful in the league. In fact, you should be more worried about the influx of worthless athletic players or big bodied players with NO skills whatsoever instead of attacking pure shooters (which is an extremely rare breed) such as Kyle.

For your convenience, let me show you a stat comparison of Reggie vs. Korver in their rookie years.

Reggie:
22.4 MPG
35.5% 3ptFG
80.1% FT
2.3 RPG
1.6 APG
10 PPG

Kyle:
11.9 MPG
39.9% 3ptFG
79.2% FT
1.5 RPG
0.5 APG
4.5 PPG

What do you know, Reggie produced basically double of what Kyle did in his rookie year only because he's getting double the minutes that Kyle had. To me, this isn't that shabby at all for a bench "scrubby rookie". He definitely deserves to be in the league.</div>

First of all, I don't even know how Reggie got into this Kyle Korver debate.

All I'm saying is that Korver isn't good enough. He can prove me wrong as time flies which is unlikely, but right now, I stay true to my opinion and I will hold my ground regardless if all of you annihilate me.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">=dervoosa]In 11 minutes, how many buckets will Reggie sink? And his leadership (whatever that means) won't be worth a damn in garbage time, which is all that Kover got last year.</div>

In 11 minutes, Reggie will not only score more buckets than Korver can in 11, but he will prove that he is worthy enough to play in the NBA.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, I don't even know how Reggie got into this Kyle Korver debate.</div>
He got in this because all he does is jack up 3s all day like Korver. Again, let it be freakin known that I'm not saying Korver is the next Reggie, more like I think Korver is a poor man's Reggie.. something like that. A poor man's Reggie isn't that bad right? Considering you do think that Reggie's a future hall of famer.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">In 11 minutes, Reggie will not only score more buckets than Korver can in 11, but he will prove that he is worthy enough to play in the NBA.</div>

The stats doesn't support your argument there. If you cut Reggie's rookie time in half (which is 11 minutes), he'll get 5ppg which is a 0.5ppg difference. Now are you going to tell me that 0.5ppg difference determines how someone can be a future Hall of Famer vs. "doesn't deserve to be in the NBA"?

Kyle's just a rookie, and damn decent one at that too. Give the kid some chance. JO was a nobody for the first FOUR YEARS and look where he's at now when a team gives him a chance.

 

Kyle Korver should be in the league..he is a great shooter...he even almost won the 3pt shootout his rookie year..which is pretty good..if you ask me.. 39% from the arc is an awesome feat. not many players in the league can shoot like that...and he is only a ROOKIE and you dont even give him a chance..which is sad to see..and hopefully the sixers will give him more PT and he will give us a even better spark off the bench...man if i ever make it into the NBA and im my 3pt % is 39% and someone tells me i shouldnt be in the league i would be kinda of pissed and i agree with you on Kandi man he is a big bum not as bad as Ruben Boumtje Boumtje

anyway my point is Kyle Korver should be in the league ;-)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Webber. Period.</div>
Think outside of your Laker box a bit.

It's ok you don't like the Kings (Although you can't even freaking call them that - which is their NAME) That 'Queen' gig wore out months ago.

For you to say he doesn't even deserve to be in the league has just exposed how biased you are towards the Lakers. Even if you were kidding that unreal - not everything is about LA.

Chris Webber is prone to injuries, however when healthy he's easily a top 25 talent. He is one of the best big men passers in the league, with amazing court vision and quick hands. He also has great footwork down low and can knock down a jumper or hook shot on a regular basis.

When healthy he sure gets the job done, he's a team player, and he's still a very talented player.

As for Kyle Korver - Of course he should be in the league. Throw out the stats; minutes per game, points per game, etc. have nothing to do with whether he should be in the leauge. Shooting is very rare nowadays, and he can shoot the lights out. If someone is stuck downlow they can dish it out to him and receive results.

 

Mr. Emo is just another classic example of a biased Lakers fan :mrgreen:

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Emo:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Webber. Period.</div>

I want to hear the justification for this one...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">
10. Calvin Booth
9. Samaki Walker
8. Michael Ruffin
7. Robert Archibald
6. Jake Tsakalidas
5. Ira Newble
4. Jamal Sampson
3. Cezary Trybanski
2. Evan Eschmeyer
1. Michael Doleac</div>


I seriously think Jamal Sampson is going to be a solid player in this league. He's just oozing with raw talent, and that should be enough of a reason to keep him in the league for a few years.

 

Mine controversial, i dont give a pooh pooh..

Luke Walton [Have you ever been stuck getting in someplace and then your father comes and gets you in ..*cough*]
Kenyon Martin[think before you hound me ,but there are probably caves in the world full of players like him, that can do all he can ,he is just lucky..Someone give me one unique aspect of his game..----]
Fred Jones[currently averaging just over 18 minutes per game and producing nearly 5pts per game, which prolly consists of an average of two dunks per game.This is yet another example of hops bringing you to the L.]
Telfair[I dont think he will survive]
Kwame Brown[Well maybe he can survive in the L, but i dont think he should be there.He is/was soooo damn overated that its hard to play,probably...He should emigrate/play in Europe]
Ruben Boumtje Boumtje[I remember him in Georgetown, but for the love of God get out of the L]

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">
10. Calvin Booth
9. Samaki Walker
8. Michael Ruffin
7. Robert Archibald
6. Jake Tsakalidas
5. Ira Newble
4. Jamal Sampson
3. Cezary Trybanski
2. Evan Eschmeyer
1. Michael Doleac</div>

This list alone proves or pretty much somes up why the bigman spot in this league is at a extremely because this is just the short list. I mean plenty of trash bigman were not even listed like Vladmir Stepania, Micheal Bradley, Primoz Brezec etc, the league is just filled with these bigman that you wonder how did they get into the league? Im guessing simply for size purposes. But I think that the death of the bigman spot is killing the league right now. It takes away from how coaches can game plan, etc

Our expectations at the center spot are so low right now, that a guy like Dampier can put up one solid season. And every team in the league lines up for blocks to throw the house and farm at him to try & acquire his average at best services.

I mean I here people talking all the time about how to improve the level of play in the NBA. And I simply say they need to find away to improve the center spot and then that will open up the floor for everything else to improve. I think they should have manditory bigman camps on the NBA level during the offseasons for some of these younger & overseas bigman.

The league has to address their center position its holding the league back. I think they feel since the Power forward postion is so strong in the league now, that the lack of centers isnt having much effect. But it is imo, because as good as the power forward spot is, it still isnt like having a dominate center because alot of the league's best power forwards play more like perimeter players. Dirk hardley goes into the post, KG's face up game is better then his back to the basket game, the power forwards in the league to day are mainly finesse bigman. And the ones that arent, the bangers so to speak, the Boozer's and the Martin's etc offensive games arent to the level where they can be considered dominate post options, that where the Center spot should come in, a place where you can go to get legitimate low post baskets on a consistent bases, to open up the floor for everything. But you just dont get that from the center spot in to days game. And the league suffers.

Anyway back more on topic, I see Kandiman on alot of people's list and I totally agree because this cat seems to have no passion to play the game of basketball. You can tell on a consistently night to night basis last league with the Wolves thru his body language and everything. The guy would do the same thing every single night, he would either start or check in the game around the middle of the 1st, and sumper around committing some of the most ridiculous fouls and looking completly lost(his basketball IQ seems low as well), and seemingly not caring about his lack of effort. And that the sign that someone doesnt belong in the league, because once someone shows signs of not caring about their lack of effort, they dont belong in this league. Because if you dont care, that usually means you dont care to get better either. I dont see Kandiman getting to many more opportunities to prove he is a legit player in this league, if he doesnt step up and put the effort forward next season for the wolves.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">In 11 minutes, Reggie will not only score more buckets than Korver can in 11, but he will prove that he is worthy enough to play in the NBA.</div>

What the hell? Miller produced double Korver's stats because he got double the minutes. If Korver got the minutes Reggie got, he'd put up almost identical numbers.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Mine controversial, i dont give a pooh pooh..

Luke Walton [Have you ever been stuck getting in someplace and then your father comes and gets you in ..*cough*]</div>

Have you ever seen Luke play? He could be a great player if given the minutes in LA. He has amazing court vision.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kenyon Martin[think before you hound me ,but there are probably caves in the world full of players like him, that can do all he can ,he is just lucky..Someone give me one unique aspect of his game..----]</div>

He averages 16 and 9 and plays tough defence, is an all star, and he's an emotional leader on and off the court. By your logic Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan etc. don't belong in the nba.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Telfair[I dont think he will survive]</div>

How do you know? He's never even played one minute in this league yet.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kwame Brown[Well maybe he can survive in the L, but i dont think he should be there.He is/was soooo damn overated that its hard to play,probably...He should emigrate/play in Europe]</div>

Sure he hasn't lived up to the expections but he's improving every year. He's close to a double double now.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ruben Boumtje Boumtje[I remember him in Georgetown, but for the love of God get out of the L]</div>

Not going to argue there.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What the hell? Miller produced double Korver's stats because he got double the minutes. If Korver got the minutes Reggie got, he'd put up almost identical numbers.</div>

Says who?

I'm backing up my argument through facts while all of you are backing up y'alls by assumptions.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chungster:</div><div class="quote_post">Says who?

I'm backing up my argument through facts while all of you are backing up y'alls by assumptions.

















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What facts?? Your just saying Korver shouldn't be in the league which is your opinion (might I add a very idiotic opinion). You havn't backed yourself up at all.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">What facts?? Your just saying Korver shouldn't be in the league which is your opinion (might I add a very idiotic opinion). You havn't backed yourself up at all. Everyone has owned you in this arguement.</div>
Yup, he got owned lol
Chungster is a person that can't stand his own favorite player. Enough said.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">What facts?? Your just saying Korver shouldn't be in the league which is your opinion (might I add a very idiotic opinion). You havn't backed yourself up at all. Everyone has owned you in this arguement.</div>
A very idiotic opinion? You can't go around justifying people's opinions now can you? What are you going to do about my opinion anyways? Meet me in real life and beat me up?

How has everyone owned me in this argument? Oh, by saying Korver would be as productive as Miller if he got the minutes Miller gets? By the way, that's only an idiotic assumption. You guys even say Korver in the same breath as Miller. In fact, no one has owned me in this argument. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Have you ever seen Luke play? He could be a great player if given the minutes in LA. He has amazing court vision.



He averages 16 and 9 and plays tough defence, is an all star, and he's an emotional leader on and off the court. By your logic Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan etc. don't belong in the nba.




How do you know? He's never even played one minute in this league yet.



Sure he hasn't lived up to the expections but he's improving every year. He's close to a double double now.



Not going to argue there. </div>

Of course ,ive seen Luke play and he is just slightly overated .He is known becuase he is a Walton but other than that hes jsut a crapy reserve in the L and probably will remain to be.When i talk negatively about him ,every laker fan i know jumps on me and says the same crap,like he is a good passer..but that is just an average characteristic of most NBA players ,there is lots of greatr passers..To get to the League usually there has to be something unique and fantastic in your gameand he is just an average player who would not be in the L if he was not a Walton...'nough said.

For the love great historical players' how can you mention Kmart as the same comparison to KG and TImmy.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He averages 16 and 9 and plays tough defence, is an all star, and he's an emotional leader on and off the court. By your logic Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan etc. don't belong in the nba</div>

are u sure, 16 and 9, wow that is all satr caliber, but i dont recall luke being an all star. he was pretty bad until this season, where he became decent, but he prolly wouldnt have made the league if he wasnt *coughz* someone's son, unlike a certain mike dunleavy jr who has some decent skills

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">- Kyle Korver: He has no game whatsoever. All he can do is shoot 3's, and he misses most of them for a supposed 3 point specialist.</div>
Nope.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">- Michael Olowokandi: One of the worst high picks ever. If Bill Walton said he can't play in the NBA, then he can't.</div>
Yup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">- Darko Milicic: This guy should of been a selection of the 2007 draft because he's pre-mature right now.</div>
Nope.

 

My list.

(no order, except alphabetical)

1. Tariq Abdul-Wahad
2. Brandon Armstrong
3. Calvin Booth
4. Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje
5. Ryan Bowen
6. Michael Bradley
7. Jamison Brewer
8. Primoz Brezec
9. Kedrick Brown
10. Michael Doleac
11. Predrag Drobjnak
12. Evan Eschmeyer
13. Tremaine Fowlkes
14. Steven Hunter
15. Chris Jefferies
16. Britton Johnsen
17. Amal McCaskill
18. Mikki Moore
19. Scott Padgett
20. Milt Palacio
21. Jannero Pargo
22. Mark Pope
23. Ansu Sesay
24. Leon Smith
25. Vladimir Stepania
26. Yogi Stewart
27. Cezary Trybanski
28. Jake Tsakalidis
29. Jacque Vaughn
30. Loren Woods