Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC @ Jun 27 2006, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know that. He had a much better regular season than Walton also. I justy brought that up...</div>While he may have had the better stats, Walton's team had the best record in the NBA which just proves my point that the player in the best NBA team will usually always win it.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? Dirk Nowitzki definitely deserved it. He led the mavs to 60 wins and got them to the finals. He did this without a legit second option.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jun 27 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk Nowitzki definitely deserved it. He led the mavs to 60 wins and got them to the finals. He did this without a legit second option.</div> Yeah...Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard....those guys aren't good second options.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? Jason Kidd in 2002. He took that Nets team from worst to first, all while putting up great numbers and making guys like Kenyon Martin look great. That was a robbery, although Tim Duncan did have a great year
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jun 27 2006, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This season I mainly said yes he did have a MVP type season, but there were to many players who had a great season with there team making the playoffs. So not this past season even though he should still have been like 7th not 10.But in 04-05 here is my case why he should have been MVP instead of 4th in voting.<u>Iverson Stats 04-05:</u> 1st in point per game 30.75th in assists per game 7.92nd in steal 2.404th in voting for MVP<u>Dirk Stats In 04-05:</u>4th in points per game 26.121st in blocks per game 1.539th in rebounds per game 9.73rd in voting for MVP<u>Shaq Stats In 04-05:</u>Tied for 6th in rebound per game 10.66th in blocks per game 2.3412th in points per game 22.92nd in voting for MVP<u>Nash Stats In 04-05:</u>Tied for 40th with 3 other guys in points per game 15.51st in assists per game 11.5Won the MVPIverson averaged all most 4 assists less then Nash, but he also averaged like double the points. So what do you all think about the 04-05 season? And Iversons team did make the playoffs even though they got knocked out in the first round by DET who went to the finals. It's 3 AM hope this is right I had to look it up since I don't remember the stats for the other guys.Yep both Lebron, and Kobe got snubbed this season.We got knocked out by a team that went to the finals, and we gave them a good fight we all most tied it up at 2-2. I know all most does not count we lost the series just thought I would mention it. And yea in 04-05 AI over Nash, Shaq, and Dirk. But this season I never said AI over Lebron, and Kobe I said he also had a MVP type season, but a lot of guys did who made the playoffs. And I would not vote for Brand, and espacially Billups this season for MVP over AI. Brand maybe he did amazing, but Billups? Come on ask your self with out Billups would that team make the playoffs the answer is yes. They be like the 5th best team in the Eastern Conference with out Billups you take AI of the Sixers they would have a worse record then the Knicks. LOL</div>Your relying on numbers to much here to prove a point. Yes AI put up incredible numbers that season but the team itself finished w/ a mediocre record at 43-39. Every other player listed there helped lead there team to a 50+ win season and they all did better in the playoffs. Nash fully deserved MVP last season but when you look at those numbers you wouldn't think so. You cant just use numbers for backing up opnions because theres to many times where numbers can be decieving.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? I never knew putting up 32/7/7 taking a 60+ team to 7 games with a crappy supporting cast and having a triple double in your first playoff game as not proving something.Can anyone explain to me what is proving? Did you expect Lebron to carry guys like Drew gooden, Dontell marshall and big z to a championship?
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wade3 @ Jun 27 2006, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, he may have some great talent but, there are quite a bit other guys with more than him with more talent and more sucessful teams. I am not going to go off naming them but, I mean. Cmon and wake up. Lebron James has not really proven anything to this league yet.</div>Umm WOW who else averaged 30 pluse ppg, 7 rebounds a game, and all most 7 assists?This season it should have been Kobe, and Lebron top 2 not sure in what order both had great seasons.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 27 2006, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Like everyone else said, Nash won MVP because the year before when Nash was not in Phoenix they won like 29 games. The next year, Nash comes to Phoenix and the Suns win 60 games and lock up first place in the West. In the East Shaq went to the Heat who had won only 42 games the year before, and they suddenly won 59 the next season. So that gave the apperance that Shaq and Nash who finished first and second in voting, was a more valuable part to their teams than Iverson was to his team.If you wanted to use stats like these as a reason for players to win MVP awards, then i could make a good case for why Tracy Mcgrady should have won the MVP award in 2002-2003. He finished first in scoring, at 32.7 points per game, 6.5 rebounds per game, 5.5 assists per game and 1.65 steals per game, while shooting 45.7 percent from the field. They also made the playoffs, at 42-40, so by your reasoning this should have been Tracy Mcgrady's year because he was a stat filler.I don't know what you are thinking here, but no one in the league has more talent than Lebron James. As far as talent and potential Lebron James is the one with almost unlimited talent and potential. Defense is not overly hard to get good at, it takes dedication and practice. From what i see Lebron James has the dedication and ethic to work to get better at it. As far as offense goes, he is the most well rounded offensive player in the league, and that is over anyone playing right now.</div>Don't for get Nash had Marion, and Amare.I don't agree at all about the 04-05 season.As for T-Mac those are MVP #'s
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 27 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah...Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard....those guys aren't good second options.</div>Don't even bring up Jerry Stackhouse. That guy is a ball hog that doesn't shoot a high percentage and is in the downhill part of his career. Terry and Howard are good 3rd or 4th options but are not at the all star level or second option type of player.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jun 27 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't even bring up Jerry Stackhouse. That guy is a ball hog that doesn't shoot a high percentage and is in the downhill part of his career. Terry and Howard are good 3rd or 4th options but are not at the all star level or second option type of player.</div>Oh please, Howard is still young and is becoming a very good second option for Dirk. Dirk has a great supporting cast. Don't try and say he's in a situation like AI or KG.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jun 27 2006, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stop being a homer, the only thing that AI has going for him is his scoring and he is not even the best at that any more. Kobe surpassed him and if Kobe isnt going to get the MVP, than AI for sure wont get it. His team didnt even make the playoffs anyways...how can you he deserved to win the MVP?</div>Me being a homer? haha dude read my posts again I said this past season he had a MVP kinda season, but should not have won it since a lot of guys who made the playoffs had a great season. I did say he should have been like 7th, and not 10 in voting that's not being a homer.He should have won it in 04-05 that I won't back down from. Just look at the #'s for AI, and the #'s of the 3 guys who finished ahead of AI in voting in 04-05.And for what you said all AI has going for him is scoring try again he also does great in steals, and assists. And this season AI finished 2nd yes, but this guy is 30 at 6'0 165 pounds you would hope Kobe in his prime, and so much taller would be able to average more then AI who was 30, and don't for get his size.So yea like I said I was talking about mainly the 04-05 season when they did make the playoffs. And look at the #'s I posted for the 04-05 season for AI, and the 3 guys who finished ahead of him.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 27 2006, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your relying on numbers to much here to prove a point. Yes AI put up incredible numbers that season but the team itself finished w/ a mediocre record at 43-39. Every other player listed there helped lead there team to a 50+ win season and they all did better in the playoffs. Nash fully deserved MVP last season but when you look at those numbers you wouldn't think so. You cant just use numbers for backing up opnions because theres to many times where numbers can be decieving.</div>It was not just #'s yes I seen Nash play. And the MVP is for the reguler season again not the playoffs. And Nash, and Shaq, and Dirk's team all had better guys around them then AI did you have to take that into account.In 04-05 AI should have won the MVP my mind on that won't change.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 28 2006, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh please, Howard is still young and is becoming a very good second option for Dirk. Dirk has a great supporting cast. Don't try and say he's in a situation like AI or KG.</div>The key word is becoming. He is not quite there yet. Maybe next year he might be that great second option to make a duo of trouble and than they win the championship. Until Howard is consistently their second option they will be streaky.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jun 27 2006, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Me being a homer? haha dude read my posts again I said this past season he had a MVP kinda season, but should not have won it since a lot of guys who made the playoffs had a great season. I did say he should have been like 7th, and not 10 in voting that's not being a homer.He should have won it in 04-05 that I won't back down from. Just look at the #'s for AI, and the #'s of the 3 guys who finished ahead of AI in voting in 04-05.And for what you said all AI has going for him is scoring try again he also does great in steals, and assists. And this season AI finished 2nd yes, but this guy is 30 at 6'0 165 pounds you would hope Kobe in his prime, and so much taller would be able to average more then AI who was 30, and don't for get his size.So yea like I said I was talking about mainly the 04-05 season when they did make the playoffs. And look at the #'s I posted for the 04-05 season for AI, and the 3 guys who finished ahead of him.It was not just #'s yes I seen Nash play. And the MVP is for the reguler season again not the playoffs. And Nash, and Shaq, and Dirk's team all had better guys around them then AI did you have to take that into account.In 04-05 AI should have won the MVP my mind on that won't change.</div>Well all you keep using for your reasoning is their numbers. I mean you said it again here<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So yea like I said I was talking about mainly the 04-05 season when they did make the playoffs. And look at the #'s I posted for the 04-05 season for AI, and the 3 guys who finished ahead of him.</div>AI didn't deserve it last season. I mean if you really watch Nash play and by play i mean more than once or twice you would know he deserved it last season. he made all the players around him better. AI didnt do that like Nash. Plus the teams you listed all had a 50+ win season. The Sixers had a mediocre 43 win season. Plus don't use AI's supporting cast as an excuse. I mean he didn't have muh of a supporting cast in the 00/01 season but he still led his teams to the finals. Your being a biased AI fan here. I mean im a huge AI fan but cmon you can't say he deserved it over Nash last season. Same w/ getting it over Duncan or Shaq. Maybe over Nowitzki but that's it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Jun 27 2006, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The key word is becoming. He is not quite there yet. Maybe next year he might be that great second option to make a duo of trouble and than they win the championship. Until Howard is consistently their second option they will be streaky.</div>Yeah but Howard already is a good second option. I was saying he'll be an all star type second option soon. That doesnt mean hes a good one right now. But seriously Nowitzki still does have a great starting cast around him. Quit being a Mavs homer and acting like Nowitzki is stuck w/ a team liek KG and AI. Those two players would kill to play w/ the team that Nowitzki plays w/.
Re: Players who deserved MVP but didn't get it? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 27 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well all you keep using for your reasoning is their numbers. I mean you said it again hereAI didn't deserve it last season. I mean if you really watch Nash play and by play i mean more than once or twice you would know he deserved it last season. he made all the players around him better. AI didnt do that like Nash. Plus the teams you listed all had a 50+ win season. The Sixers had a mediocre 43 win season. Plus don't use AI's supporting cast as an excuse. I mean he didn't have muh of a supporting cast in the 00/01 season but he still led his teams to the finals. Your being a biased AI fan here. I mean im a huge AI fan but cmon you can't say he deserved it over Nash last season. Same w/ getting it over Duncan or Shaq. Maybe over Nowitzki but that's it.Yeah but Howard already is a good second option. I was saying he'll be an all star type second option soon. That doesnt mean hes a good one right now. But seriously Nowitzki still does have a great starting cast around him. Quit being a Mavs homer and acting like Nowitzki is stuck w/ a team liek KG and AI. Those two players would kill to play w/ the team that Nowitzki plays w/.</div>Yes I watched a few games. AI can't make a player better if those players freaking don't wanna dribble, and are scared to freakin shoot how can you not get that? And AI supporting cast is not a excuse it's true. And in 00-01 they played D, and rebounded unlike in 04-05. I am not biased if I was I would not be saying AI should have finished 7th this season I would say he should have won it.
