Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. It's a very tough time to know what to support right now.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You wanted them to go on fighting the good fight, even after the money dried up and they could see the writing on the wall - and for what purpose?

    Who would a fight to the death in the primaries have benefited? Certainly not progressive causes or the losing candidates.

    It would have benefited Trump and the Republicans, though.

    As far as I can see, only Pete and Kamala took jobs in the administration. The others are either back at their old jobs, or unemployed.

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    Fighting the good fight, or at least supporting a candidate who's agenda you rode to increase your own popularity, would have given a more progressive agenda more of a chance. Trump wasn't going to win regardless of who the Dems picked.

    It doesn't matter what they are doing now. Trump isn't a dictator now. But his intentions were clear.
     
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    Interesting take on the 2 parties.
     
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    Since Biden adopted a fair bit of that agenda himself, not sure that's true. If you mean that Bernie could have gotten the nomination and then beat Trump, I'm skeptical on both counts, but nobody really knows.

    That's probably false. He would have made mincemeat of Yang or Marianne. The rest of them, who knows.

    Uhm.. you brought up what they are doing now, not me.

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    Yeah, but they didn't have a much better chance of being the nominee than me.
    Don't think so.
     
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    No, he did not. Even if he said he was, you'd have had to be an absolute rube to believe it after he spent the last 50 years doing the exact opposite.

    Did I mention the US is now pumping more oil than any country in history?

    That's under Biden.
     
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    Both parties are fucking us without lube but the Democrats have promised us they don't plan on killing us after.
     
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    Well, Biden promised to be environmentally friendly. But then the whole record drilling for oil thing...

    And Obama promised CHANGE.
     
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    It’s all a scam, but while he was drone striking civilians, gay marriage did get legalized on his watch. Of course in a year it’ll be legislated away by the republicans and I’ll have to move to Europe or Canada or something to avoid being sent on a train somewhere.
     
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    Florida state legislature working on a bill that would make it a crime to claim discrimination based on race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity. Not to actually discriminate. To claim discrimination. To say someone is racist, homophobic, whatever. The defendant (person who claimed discrimination) can't use as defense statements made by plaintiff (the bigot) that are deemed based on bigot's religion or "scientific" opinions, i.e. claiming "science says there are only two genders" or "science says gays recruit children" even if claims provably false.
     
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    There are several factors that determine how much oil gets pumped, and very few of them have anything to do with who is president right now.

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    Biden promised 'no more drilling on federal lands, period.' He just broke that pledge to approve a massive oil project in Alaska.



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    Biden is approving more oil and gas drilling permits on public lands than Trump, analysis finds

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    Biden Administration Backs Oil Sands Pipeline Project

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    Why Biden is approving public lands oil drilling permits faster than Trump did — and angering environmentalists

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    True. Of course, Biden was opposed to gay marriage when he won in 2008. So that wasn't the kind of change he was promising.

    But props to him for not actively fighting the will of the people to expand equality.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    It was going to happen eventually, absolutely NO question about it. Better the Dems make hay out of it than the Republicants.......
     
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    Definitely better if you want to prove you're as crooked, dishonest, and opposed to environmental responsibility as Republicans are.

    Agreed.
     
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    C'mon. Don't act so surprised. They're politicians. And if gas prices continue to drop over the course of '24, it helps Biden far more than Trump. And (unfortunately) that is all I care about at the moment. That is the position we have been put in.
     
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    Which suprised you more?
    Biden's broken promises, or, my agreeing with Barfo?

    Barfo is correct, the increase in oil production has more to do with improvements made to current wells to pump more oil. Especially in the Texas fields.

    All of the new permits issued are just the begining of a long process. It gives the oil companies permission to conduct more tests to determine if large drilling projects "may" be profitable.

    If the oil companys decide to go ahead, then many more permits, from various govt agency's must be obtained. Such as environmental, road and pipeline permits. Any one of the agency's can stop the process, and often do.

    This process can take years. And could result in dry wells.
     
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    I worked oilfield for the entirety of my twenties. Ive been involved in every step from exploration, drilling and production, all the way through plugging and reclamation. Pipeline as well.
    The running joke was always that when Democrats get elected, pack your bags it’s about to be a free-for-all. It’s always been well known in that industry that Democrats speak out the sides of their mouth to their voters while winking at the oil CEO’s. I made a ton of money under Democrats’ fake environmental posturing.
     
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    None of it surprises me. I fully expected he was full of shit about being environmentally responsible. He has shown us he's just another crooked politician for the last 50 years...

    Yes, all of this is in support of the oil industry that needs to be greatly restricted, rather than be maintained, and should certainly not be allowed to expand. Pretty much all scientists and professionals are in agreement with this... but what do they know?

    Hydroxychloroquine is good. Drill baby drill...
     
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