Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

I'm against suicide across the board, but maybe he will just do everyone a favor in his cell one day.

 

I totally understand the desire for vengeance. I am sure I would feel the same.

But ... principles are for when it's hard. And I am opposed in principle to death penalty.

That's not failing the victims. That's saying if killing is wrong, killing is wrong. That's saying society should not fall to the level of this person who killed those students.

 

Well said.

 

Oh come on ... if the letters in front of their names were flipped you guys would be having a field day with this one.

 

Personally I think giving people like this the death penalty is the easy way out for them. To me they deserve to rot in prison and live a horrible life withering away to die.

 

I'm good with that. It costs us taxpayers less as well.

 

Yea though with this guy being so young I'm sure it will flip those numbers and he'll cost us a little more since most of those numbers seem to say the death penalty costs us 2x as much but doesn't take into account total life span.

 

I'm good with that as well. It still averages out as costing less as policy.

Helps quell the cost of supporting them argument.

 

I disagree. I don't like the idea of this guy getting room and board, making friends, laughing at times, etc. Him breathing while all his victims rot is fucked up. Their loved ones agree and that's the opinion I care about the most. Now they have to live knowing he's still alive. He'll probably outlive most of the parents. He just needs to die, the end. Some semblance of closure.

 

No. It's not that simple. Opposing the death penalty for a school shooter is ridiculous. That's not having a "principle", that's having a naive, simplistic view of the world. You have to take each case on its own merit.

And society wouldn't be falling to the level of killing a bunch of school children, what kind of nonsense is that?! Jesus Christ. How can you possibly make that argument with a straight face?

This didn't happen to you, and it's not still happening to you. You don't get to say you "totally understand".

 

I don't say I understand what it is like having a child murdered. I said I understand desire for vengeance against those who have done irreparable harm.

I oppose death penalty. Even for really horrible people.

 

Those against abortion of any kind have a “principle”. They also think only in absolutes with no exceptions. All “life” is sacred. Lets care more about the existence of the tiny, unconscious embryo (school shooter in this analogy) than the life of the mother (relatives of murdered children). The continued existence of this mass of cells is more important than the mental health of a 16 year old rape victim who first had to endure the act and is now forced to confront it for the rest of her life. And if she were to abort she’d just sink to the level of her attacker. No matter the circumstances of inception, you shouldn’t be allowed to abort because it’s a matter of principal for someone else.

 

That’s a dumber response than I was expecting, and I was expecting a really fucking dumb response.

 

For an analogy, how is seeking justice for your murdered 14 year old child, as well as the continued trauma you endure, so much less important than violating your right, to the point that it makes my entire analogy “erroneous”? Isn’t trying to seek justice for your innocent dead child a right that someone should have? That’s not important enough to equate in an analogy? All while you simply ignore all the ways in which the analogy is actually pretty spot on.

 

"Wronged your family". You can't even type it because you know it's every bit as fucked up as not allowing a woman to kill an unborn child growing inside her body.

Life being taken and others ruined is not a massive difference, no matter how many ways you try to tell yourself it is.

Says who? You?
So everyone has to rely on PtldPlatypus to tell them what kind of justice they can have when their child gets murdered. PtldPlatypus knows best.