Point guard comparison

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  1. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    We are in a Golden Age of PGs, it seems.
     
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    That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.

    PER: 2nd
    TS%: 3rd
    TR%: 3rd
    Ast%: 3rd
    Stl%: 5th
    Blk%: Tied for 2nd
    TO%: 3rd
    OWS: 3rd
    DWS: 4th
    WS/48: 4th
    BPM: 5th
    VORP: Tied for 4th

    Not 1st in any category....except salary.
     
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    That's been my main issue with Dame over the past year. As good as he's been for the team and the community, his reputation has far exceeded his production, to the detriment of his teammates, I believe. That's why I'm inclined to think, a) George Karl had some idea what he was talking about, and b) Stott's reaction was so defensive. There's a raw nerve there somewhere being hidden away from the public.

    Add in Conley and Lillard would fare a bit better in that category. :)
     
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    That's just because they're listed alphabetically...
     
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    Highest paid....
     
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    Isaiah Thomas is RIDICULOUSLY underpaid.
    A reminder of the 2011 draft:

    21. Trail Blazers Nolan Smith SG
    22. Nuggets Kenneth Faried PF
    23. Rockets Nikola Mirotic SF
    24. Thunder Reggie Jackson PG

    29. Spurs Cory Joseph PG
    30. Bulls Jimmy Butler SF

    38. Rockets Chandler Parsons SF

    51. Trail Blazers Jon Diebler SG

    53. Magic DeAndre Liggins SG

    55. Celtics E'Twaun Moore SG

    60. Kings Isaiah Thomas PG
     
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    This is also just this season where Dame has had a very bad season defensively and has been in a slump and is shooting his worst from 3 for his career. On the other hand Walker/Lowery are vastly exceeding there career averages in shooting and Thomas is shooting a little better from 2 but the same from 3, its really the amount of FTA's he has is almost 3 more then last season and almost double his career avg.
     
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    He's gonna get his brinks truck. Will be making more than Dame next year.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It's not just this season.
     
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    It's funny: his PER is his highest ever, as is his TS%, and his BPM is better than last year (but worse than the year before that) but his VORP is the lowest it has ever been.
     
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    VORP is a cumulative figure that increases over the course of the season. At his current rate, he's on pace for a VORP of 4.3--second highest of his career. I imagine that if the defensive adjustments that have been implemented remain effective after Dame's return, his DBPM would improve, and his VORP would likely approach 5 before the year's out.
     
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    We never had the opportunity to draft any of those players or to trade Dame for them so it doesn't matter to me that he makes more than them. And besides, the only reason Dame makes more is because the cap went up. They're all max players.
     
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    Ok WTF is VORP and who gives a shit?

    :dunno:
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    From basketball-reference.com:
    • VORP
      Value Over Replacement Player (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); a box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player, translated to an average team and prorated to an 82-game season. Multiply by 2.70 to convert to wins over replacement. Please see the article About Box Plus/Minus (BPM) for more information.
    BNM
     
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    It's when Chekhov tries to say warp speed in the original Star Trek.
     
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    The startling stat is Dame's only shooting 35% from 3.

    That's BAD. For a guy who is universally considered a good shooter, that's an awful percentage. He really is very streaky.

    Dude really needs to stop the pull ups from 30+ feet until he's hot. His 35% doesn't give him the license to chuck from that far.
     
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    Kind of like a burp, but with vomit involved.
     
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    Dame might not be a top 10 pg marinate on THAT for a second
     

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