Points in the paint vs 3-pointers

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  1. blue9

    blue9 Well-Known Member

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    You giving someone advice on how to rate a player is funny.
    Box scores are but one tool I use. If I solely used the box score, or even if I thought it was the most important of many measures, I would love LMA as a player. But it's watching him play that makes me dislike his game.
     
  2. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    It must be getting sooooo deep under your skin that Aldridge is playing so well? I'm glad peeps like you are in small company. You can think you are a realist, but then we see how "homer" you were and are about Batum. Whatever the case that has gotten Aldridge to be on your "public enemy #1" is fucking laughable. It's actually embarrassing on your part.
     
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    Mags, you're not reading that chart properly, the circle inside the 3pt arc isn't 12ft (where you're getting 52 from beyond 12ft). It's a minimum of 16ft, because the FT line is 15ft and it's beyond that.

    Here's an actual breakdown, by several distance and shot types:
    http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.ht...plitsShooting&MeasureType=Base&PerMode=Totals

    And actually blue isn't that far off (and he's only off because 82games isn't updated daily like NBA.com), 112 of LMA's 142 FGA (79%) have been 'jumpers' as blue put it.
    By FGA
    Turnaround J 23
    Turnaround Fadeaway 6
    Stepback J 4
    J 75
    Banked J 1
    Fadeaway J 3
     
  4. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    The link shows 83 shots are 0-16 and 60 are outside that range. 58% of his shots are the money shots.
     
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    Yea, still not 70%, and like I pointed out Blue wasn't that far off when he said Aldridge was still shooting a ton of jumpers (79%) and not getting many 'close' or 'dunk' shots. Seems like the two of you aren't talking about the exact same thing, apples and oranges really.
     
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    No, I understood you perfectly. And when I had a chance to look at the numbers I saw the trick you pulled to try and make that true. The numbers - while somewhat encouraging - aren't as rosy as you make them out to be. To this point he's taken 58 shots from 16'+ (40.8%). So, actually, YOU are incorrect - there's no way that 70% of his shots can come from 0-15' if 40.8% have come from 16'+. The chart you're using doesn't even have 15' as a cut-off point, but assuming you meant 16', he's taken 58% of his shots from within 16' (like I said - somewhat encouraging). However, only 26.7% of his shots are near the hoop - nothing close to the 70% you're trying to use by lumping in his mid-range game.

    As per usual, you're unable to understand what I said and why it matters and so you accuse me of a "comprehension problem" to avoid the issues in your post that I brought up. And because you're more concerned with making BS arguments and trying to "call me out", I'm done.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I never said "Near the Hoop". Show me where I said that?
     
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    Well every player wants to have an outside shot nowadays, So this doesn't surprise me. Power forwards and even the centers want to shoot outside the paint. Very few players in the NBA play with power in today's NBA.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Greg Monroe, Howard, Bynum, Cousins, Asiks, Larry Sanders, Bogut, and countless others score mainly inside. I will agree that most players want to shoot the outside shot, but there are plenty of inside post players. Good 3 point shooting teams usually have at least one player that demands a double down low.
     
  10. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    On Jayps' link, the first two charts are titled "Shot Distance (5 ft)" and "Shot Distance (8 ft)." The first chart enumerates Aldridge's shots in increments of 5 feet; the second, 8.

    The first chart says that half (71 of 142) of his FGAs have been from 14 feet and under. The second chart says that 83 of 142 (58%) have been from 16 feet and under. It follows that 12 (83-71) have been from either 15 or 16 feet. As Blue says, Mags' claim for 70% being from 15 feet or less is impossible.

    On another note...last season I checked and posted that over 50% of all Blazer FGAs within the 3-point line (that means, the majority of the team's 2-point shots) came from ONE player...LaMarcus Aldridge. I said that that should change.
     
  11. illmatic99

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    What about shots between 15' and 16'? lol

    Sorry for starting this. All I meant to say was that most of LA's offense comes from midrange-out. He still has a back to the basket game and can draw double teams, but most of those possessions result in turnaround fadeaways (or jumpers for his teammates) rather than drives to the hoop. Not really a concern when we're hitting those shots, but obviously far less sustainable in the long run than a layup or foul shots.
     

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