Politifact "Lie of the Year"

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  1. DaLincolnJones

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    Announcing the decision on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," PolitiFact editor Angie Drobnic Holan said the political significance of the remark, which Obama made on at least 37 different occasions, was a key factor in their decision.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...-year-if-you-like-your-healthcare-179521.html
     
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    They're all significant. Obama is a liar. Hurts, doesn't it?

    He lied us into an unjust health care law.
     
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    No, it does not hurt. I didn't vote for him and I don't have any emotional investment in his success.

    I'm just wondering, as barfo was, why is it that you decided only the instances of democrats lying are significant.
     
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    3 of the top 5 are his.

    And they exposed another typical lie, regarding Democrats being opposed to Bush taking out Saddam. Kerry lied, #7.
     
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    That's the biggest lie. Increased government regulations over health care would have passed, without his saying that.

    Most Americans have wanted the government to step in for a long time. And planners say that without these temporary little difficulties, health care costs will keep increasing much faster than inflation, forever.
     
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    We got lied into it. The president went all over the country telling lies to crowds of people and got less than 50% support and then decided to ram it through anyway.
     
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    The rich need our prayers! Proof: Two nonwhite lottery winners got killed.

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    I also want to know if Eastoff attended public school. If he did, then whining about paying taxes for schools seems very selfish and short-sighted.

    If Eastoff attended private schools, then his parents had money, and he should help out the common good by paying his share.
     
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    By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye, NBC News

    President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.


    Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

    None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

    Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

    That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

    Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

    This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance

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    It's not really a cancellation. It's a transfer to a new policy. 1% of Americans will wind up paying more, once Red States stop obstructing with higher premiums.

    I live in a state which is cooperating, Washington, so my premium decreases Jan. 1 by 7.3%.

    Compare to the #1 lie of 2003, the one that got us into the Iraq War.
     
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    Do the math.

    5,000,000 cancelled policies. 500,000 new policies.

    It's not really a cancellation, it's really a cancellation.
     

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