Pope Francis says atheists can go to heaven

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Do they?
     
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    I agree with this because I don't believe religion is why we are all here. Therefore anyone can go to heaven regardless of their religion if they respect the planet and the people living on it.

    Although I still haven't met an "atheist" who has legitimate evidence that there is no God.
     
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    There's no legitimate evidence that there is a god though, so there's no need for evidence that there isn't one.
     
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    There is to me though, that's why I don't take one side or the other.
     
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    I know you edited it out real quick but I think people saying they are agnostic is kind of just a cop out. Either a person believes in a god or they don't. If they don't, they're an atheist. Agnosticism is a different conversation.
     
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    bullshit....saying you don't know the answer is the beginning of scientific method...blind faith doesn't require us to define our beliefs to fit those 3 schools of thought..I'm an agnostic for my own reasons. That's the great thing about choice.
     
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    Your answer for the question "Do you believe in god?" is simply "I don't know"?
     
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    You're right that agnosticism is a different conversation (referring to knowledge rather than belief) but I wouldn't say belief itself is necessarily a black/white thing. There can be a wide range in estimation of probability of truth and level of conviction in belief.
     
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    of course...that's called being an agnostic...sort of leaving open possibilities or even considering we may not have the tools to prove it anyway..the question is more interesting to me than the definition of god worship or devil worship or whatever you dwell on in your own spirit. If you want respect for your beliefs, you should return the courtesy
     
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    Do you believe in aliens?
     
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    I don't believe in aliens, I think they could exist.

    As crowtrobot says, there is a difference between belief and knowledge. Technically, I could be called an agnostic atheist because I do not believe in a god and I also do not claim to know that there is no god.

    This video explains my position:
     
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    Do they what? Hopefully you're not suggesting all terrorists are secretly going against their conscience. At least some have to be actually convinced that they are doing the will of God.

    Point was the notion that following your conscience is the most important thing you can do (to earn salvation) is just the ultimate form of moral relativism, and moral relativism isn't exactly compatible with anything resembling Catholicism.
     
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    Are you saying I am disrespecting you in some way? I'm not meaning to.
     
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    I think you might be on to something.
     
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    No! I am willing to lay $10 on it.
     
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    Well why then insist you know? If you have no evidence, what the heck do you know?
     
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    ... I don't insist I know. Just like I don't insist I know Zues and Odin don't exist. Or fairies and leprechauns.
     
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    ...damage control for the Spotlight movie :dunno:
     
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    I think at least some, but hardly the majority.

    From what i've seen, Bin Laden was a nationalist - fought the Russkies in Afghanistan after invasion, then needed something else to fight. ISIS is mostly Sunnis who were our allies during the surge, but who joined with ISIS to regain power after we left Iraq.

    Some Jihadists are duped into the religion thing, but it sure looks to me like the religion thing is a means to control the masses, not the end of the cause.
     

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