OT Portland and surrounding area Homeless Situation

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  1. SharpeScooterShooter

    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    Why care for those who actively don't care for me and want to tear down what ive worked hard for?
    How can you expect anyone to care for those types?
     
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    SharpeScooterShooter SharpeShooter

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    exactly. And after ive brought them water i can no longer control them and they will reap what they sew.
     
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    Because more people here want the country torn down. Because they think capitalism is evil. So they fight and push back.
     
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    I have lived the life, directly and indirectly. Its possible to care but not enable. Its possible to treat all human beings with respect, but draw lines as to what is acceptable behavior when referring to fitting in peaceably with society.
     
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    Thats just a bunch of goobleygarbage!. You are simply callous and uncaring!!!!
     
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    I didn't say it was an easy solution, I simply said we should look at changing the incentives. We have a ton of empty space and a bunch of homeless people. The solutions are there, we just need to be serious about addressing them. Zoning is another issue. One we could look at Japan's mixed use zoning and other countries for examples of ways to help.

    The point is, the homeless are a result of a flawed system. We can't solve it unless we address that system.
     
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    ^^^This !
     
  8. Chris Craig

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    You can still are for them on some level. Respect that they are human beings. Walk a mile in their shoes.
     
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    There are people with homes who want that. There are people on both sides who want it for different reasons. But, most people are reasonable. Most people don't want our country torn down. They just want change because the struggle is real.
     
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    No, but once you have brought them water and shelter, they will be more willing to listen, to trust that change can happen for the better in their lives. I think so many people who are homeless are afraid to try because they fear landing right back where they are. So, they think why try? Given them a reason to try. Give them hope.
     
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    And we have ample evidence that this works to clean up our public spaces and put more people on the path to prosperity (and saves more money) than the predominant solutions we've tried here in the US.
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Man it’s gotten much worse even in the last 4 years. But really in the last 10-15 it just became something else entirely. It’s really spilled out of Downtown and into the suburbs now.

    It’s just…everywhere.
     
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    But its the vocal minority everyone is now bending over backwards for. And that is those who want it torn down. Even some in this forum think the only way for long lasting change is to tear it all down.
     
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    Its hard for me to understand this. As a self motivated person, ive never had issues with hope because i believe i create my own hope through perseverance, discipline and hard work.
     
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    Who said there isn't caring or respect for human beings that are homeless?

    Again. We can care without enabling. Matter of fact, i subscribe to not enabling shows more caring than enabling. If you want improvement but allow enablers or enabling behavior to occur, that isnt caring. Caring is stopping the enabling to enact actual improvement.

    People need to accept more tough love.
     
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    Wouldn't "tough love" be living on the streets?
     
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    All depends on how they got there and what is required to get off the streets.
     
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    I'm not talking about enabling. I believe tough love can be a good thing.

    But, we have to approach this situation from a place of compassion. Not from a place of law and order your going to do this or else. It won't be very effective to do that.
     
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    Can you share an example of a city or country solving a homelessness problem using your proposed methodology?
     
  20. Chris Craig

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    I'm a self motivated person too, but maybe until you have been there at the bottom, on the streets with nothing, you can't understand it.

    These people are in a place where that seems impossible and therefore it is futile to try.
     

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