I don't even think it's a matter of a $100,000 car. Channing Frye is not a $100,000 car, but he's being paid like he's a $100,000 car and I think Neil realized that early on. He quickly shifted his focus and went after guys that he knew he could get for a reasonable deal. I think we overpaid Kaman, but not by a huge margin, and it's a short contract.
Mike Tokito @mtokito about 9 minutes ago Blake said he toured #Blazers practice facility this week for 1st time since last year's $3.8M upgrade. "Amazing," he said.
And it's not terribly difficult to look at those guys and compare them to what the guys we did sign do and realize that maybe they simply don't fit our system quite right. Frye for example do we really need or want a 3 pt shooting center that doesn't bring a hole lot more? Or Livingston a Guard that can't hit a 3 at all.
So, as a fan you have to like the Kaman signing or because if you don't than it is because fan thinks the Blazers should be able to get a bigger name. You can't just not like the Kaman signing. OK . . . Same situation with Blake I guess (which I personally don't mind that signing). Basically you have to like the Blazers moves or you don't see what is going on around the league. That's one way to think about it . . .
Missed the point. You can not like the Kaman signing, I'm okay with that. But if you say "We could have gotten so much more"... Then what? What could we have POSSIBLY gotten? Then... when that question inevitably gets avoided... it just sounds like a bitch and moan. That's the point. Don't like the signings, but if you're just going to bitch because you thought we could have gotten a Kyle Lowry (or what have you for something unrealistic) then it makes it just you bitching and not being realisitc. THAT is the point(s). It's really quite simple except for those who can't follow simple reality and logic.
Well, I was pretty underwhelmed with the Kaman signing at first, but honestly who else could we have gotten that was better? Hawes turned us down. Frye signed for a stupid contract with the Magic. What's left? We only signed him for a couple years. It's a cheap deal. I'm really not that upset about it. Whether you like Kaman and Blake or not, I think everyone should realize that backup PG and backup C were needs that had to be addressed, and this is most likely the best Neil could do with what he had.
But why does someone have to come up with an alternative? If someone didn't like the Wright signing, they didn't have to come up with an alternative to be correct about not liking the Wright signing. Personally I don't know what was out there. How do we know if Olshey offered max yrs of the MLe to Hawes or Colllison or whoever. Any name I come up with for an MLE could be rebutted "well you don't kow if Olshey didn't try" Also I'm not going to pretend to know what the market is. All these "reality" people were swearing that Hawes would get well over the MLE. Wrong. We don't know what is going on or who is available for what. But is it so hard to look at a transaction and give an opinion if it is a good one or bad one. So many here say all these other contract being given out are bad deals (like Frye). So basically Blazers make good deals and other teams make bad deals. Got it.
Exactly. Logic. It's not that fucking hard. Kaman isn't the best signing, But we have the damn MLE and BAE. People get stupid with so little money we have.
Hey, I'm just going by what I've read some people post in other threads. I've seen that you've been against the Kaman signing since it was announced. Not sure why exactly, other than he's not the most exciting name out there. That's fine in my book, but I think that it's not fair to Olshey to cast it as though he didn't reach out to other centers, but simply didn't have the resources to outbid other teams. IIRC, you were down with the idea of getting Hawes, and so was Olshey. He made as strong of a pitch as he could, but Hawes, for whatever reasons, decided the Clippers were a better fit. After him, is there another center out there that was available, could be had for MLE money, and is better than Kaman? I can't think of any...and that's the point. In my book, Olshey got the best player he could at the position we most needed help. He covered his bases by making it possible to make a different move next summer if he wants, as that's when the Blazers will actually have room to make a splashy signing. Basically, it's the same deal with Blake. If you think that there's someone out there that would accept a 2 year deal at BAE money who's better than Blake, I'm all ears.
So your alternative is to do nothing at all? Just sign nobody? Go into next season with CJ/Will/Wright/TRob/Joel?
Kaman has shown in the past to have attitude problems and I believe he is a lazy undisciplined center who gets injured at the drop of the hat and cares very little for the team he plays on . . . and I have said this on many occasions. I try not to say it every psot and have often said i'm done doggin on him because he is now a Blazer and I will try to like him. But all posters hear, like you, is I don't like him and think Olshey could have done better. People read what they want to read . . .
So I haven't heard an answer to my question. If someone didn't like the Wright signing but couldn't give an alternative player to sign . . . were they wrong about the Wright signing? (Which is funny because I liked the Wright signing . . . and still do)
See, I don't mind this. What annoys is (And I think E-blazer and Schilly also are saying) that they go "We could have gotten more". I don't mind if you don't like the Kaman or the Blake for whatever reason, but if you are thinking that there was something MORE we could have gotten, then when broached about the subject, can't come up with one.... then it just becomes air.
