Didn't the Celts sign Horford that summer? Didn't they have to renounce their early-bird rights on Turner to open up that cap-space? If the Knicks had signed Turner, then we'd probably have been able to sign Courtney Lee, which would have made us much better off, IMO.
They could re-sign him, regardless. The amount was limited to the point it'd have been a pay cut for him, though. He was seriously underpaid there. The Blazers intended to sign Parsons and DHoward but both went elsewhere. The Blazers went after Pau Gasol, too. ET wasn't the Blazers' first choice, obviously, but he did sign and he has played and contributed. Napier's play has turned ET from our 3rd PG into a plain old SF, which isn't really his strength.
If the Celtics wanting to re-sign him is being introduced as evidence to suggest that the $70M/4y deal was necessary to prevent him from returning to Boston, the limitations on the potential of the Celts' offer invalidates its use in this context. Not that complicated, Denny.
Talking about value, not ancillary terms. But yes, I'll agree that kind of thing is an item for consideration in making such a decision.
Actually, Neil has said several times (including right before free agency that year) that he would never have free agency be a big part of building a team in a small market situation like Portland. He puts it into four categories: Draft, Trades, Player Retention, and Free Agency. He puts free agents last and says they are more of a bonus if they signed instead of treating them like a viable option.
The fact that all you need is names means you’ve missed the point completely. But since you asked so nicely.... Troy Weaver Brian Wright Chauncey Billups Tommy Shepard Austin Ainge Dave Lewin Brian Pauga. All with promising futures and/or have had an integral part in building a contending roster in more ways than one. Troy Weaver will be someone’s GM within the next couple years, might as well be ours.
What about guys like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Malik Beasley (the 1st rounder we traded to Denver for Afflalo along with Barton) or Malcom Brogdon (one of the 2nd rounders we sent to Sac for Robin Lopez)? If you dive into all of his transactions it is not a great list of characters and if you include the guys he offered and got rebuffed it only gets worse. Guys like Roy Hibbert and Chandler Parsons start coming up and boy does that make Neil look more lucky than good.
Looking back on the overall signings for summer 2016... Batum 5 years 120mil (12/4/4) D Howard 3 years 70mil Parsons 4 years 98.5mil (9/3/2) Bazemore 4 years 70mil (14/4/3.6) R Anderson 4 years 80mil (10/5/1) Biyombo 4 years 72mil (6/6/1) Marvin Williams 4 years 54mil (9.5/4.8/1) Fournier 5 years 85mil (18/3/3) H Barnes 4 years 94mil (18/7/2) Crabbe 4 years 75mil (12/4/2) Mahinmi 4 years 64mil (4/4/1) Afflalo 2 years 25mil (3/1.5/0.7) Noah 4 years 72mil (exiled from team) Luol Deng 4 years 72mil (2/0/1) Tyler Johnson 4 years 50mil (11/3/2) Mozgov 4 years 65mil (4/3/0) Solomon Hill 4 years 52mil (7/4/2 last year) John Leuer 4 years 42mil (5.4/4/0.6) Harkless 4 years 40mil (5.6/2.7/0.7) Leonard 4 years 41mil (3.9/2.0/0.5) Turner 4 years 70mil (8.3/3.4/2.2) Just some comparative numbers to consider.
I think that is completely selective analysis. Hibbert the summer we made the offer to him was 25 and had just come off an All Star season and a strong playoff run with the Pacers. Averaged 12.8pts, 8.7 rebounds and 2.0 blocks per game. Indiana matched the offer sheet which was essentially 4 years and $58mil We don't know what Portland offered Parsons, but who boy in looking at the contract the Grizzlies gave him I'm glad they outbid us.
And then in 2 years when they dont do much, you will want them gone too. I think you missed the point. you said might as well be ours.. as if we could just get anyone. I love how the same people who say we cant get people to come here, jsut think we cna get anyone to come here. Lets just pay them more.. SOO glad you guys arent my financial advisers..
I nominate this for the best post of the year. Sadly, there are a few who are so ignorant to actually comprehend what the results of that were
It's asinine to have that attitude. There are only so many roster spots available. The right approach for the non-difference makers (90% of the league) is to place a value on everyone & if they don't like your offer - move onto the next one.
Are you really asking why any of those guys would take a promotion for more money to take a job working for the second richest owner at a team that already has a three time all star? This would be a step up for everyone on that list. I’m guessing you have no idea who they are and are too lazy to do some research into their background. You asked for names, I gave them to you. Then you use a cop out and say “in two years when they don’t do much” like that has any factual reasoning behind it lol. You like Olshey, that’s fine, but those are logical alternatives should PA choose that route.
That's a complete falicy. No player worth a damn has signed a 1 yr QO & then walked. There have been some who thought they were better that they were - so they took the QO, but more often than not it doesn't end well for the player.
I’m not saying he had another contract offer, which makes the overpay even worse, I’m saying the only reason he came to Portland was because of the massive overpay and he even said that it was too much money to turn down. Later he backtracked saying he took the offer because he actually wanted to be in Portland. I hope the following is hanging in Neil’s office.
