Pot Vote: Legalizing Marijuana Could Be On 2010 Ballot

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    You don't need pot or heroin to live. But nice try, anyway.

    I'm just an advocate of not slipping any further down a slippery slope. I understand most in here disagree. Like I said, my personal philosophy contridicts my political position.
     
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    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    If so, it will destroy this country. ;)

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    Somebody has been watching MSNBC :devilwink:
     
  5. DaRizzle

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    Purely hypothetical...

    maxiep.....If only one could be legal and you had to base it on which would be least harmful to society which would you pick, booze or weed?
     
  6. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    In terms of effects on society, if I had to choose, I'd choose Marijuana. But anyone can make booze from what you can purchase at a grocery store, where getting marijuana seeds is tougher. Hence, if one is going to be legal and the other illegal, marijuana is the easier drug to control.

    Also, since alcohol is already legal, I see no reason to expand the number of drugs available to the American people.
     
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    So do you think alcohol should be outlawed? Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that prohibition of alcohol could work as "well" as prohibition of marijuana (up to opinion how well prohibition of marijuana works). Do you feel that the social costs of alcohol also outweigh the benefits of greater freedoms? If not, why not?

    For the record, I don't do marijuana and rarely drink (not due to moralistic reasons in either case). I just find this an interesting issue.
     
  8. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't see much evidence it is being successfully controlled. It might be easier to control, but apparently it isn't easy enough. As far as I can see, anyone who wants pot can get it.

    barfo
     
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    I rarely smoke, but I can see how you would assume that.
     
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I assure you Libertarians think it should be legal.

    For at least 40 years of my life, I've believed that drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc., are medical problems and not legal ones. If the government spent the money on ads, like they did with tobacco, the harder more dangerous drugs would see less use.

    I have smoked pot, but not in many years. I have no beef with people who do, it's their life to live.

    There are a lot of myths about pot that make it seem harmless - it is harmful. Side effects off the top of my head: sterility, stupidity, and it most certainly can cause cancer. These aren't reasons to make it illegal.

    Victimless crimes should have no penalty.
     
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    Well MaxieP I hate to tell you this, but your definition of long term use and some supposed side effects is pretty bunk IMO. Lets put it this way. I know in excess of 10 people that have used Marijuana daily(approximately) for at least 20 years, most of them probably more near 25+. Most of them are now folks that earn 65k+ a year(some over 100k a year), have families to the extent that they wanted them (some wanted kids, some not), and all are people I consider very successful in life. The problem is what your preconceived notions of a pot smoker is. What is it, Spikoli off of hard times at Ridgemont High? Get real. Smoking Pot is no more serious than drinking a Martini after work. Your argument earlier about how Alchohol is already legal, so why legalize weed is bunk. Weed is a different effect, and many people highly (pun intended) prefer one to the other, and this country is all about freedom isn't it? Let folks choose their own path. Not just "your chosen path".
     
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    Meth is pretty far down the ladder of biggest abuse problems for drugs, in numbers of addicts anyway.

    Abuse of alcohol tops the list, then tobacco, then legally prescribed drugs, followed by stolen or illegally prescribed drugs, then waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the ladder you have street-made amphetamines, barbituates, cocaine, crack, ecstacy, PCP and meth.

    Marijuana is too innocuous to be considered in this company.
     
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    How does weed make one stupid?
     
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    So your decision is based purely on your personal addiction to alcohol, and hypocrisy. :cheers:
     
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    Time to get your myths straight: :tsktsk:

    http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

    Top Five Marijuana Myths

    Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness
    Marijuana Is Highly Addictive
    Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past
    Marijuana Offenses Are Not Severely Punished
    Marijuana Is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco

    There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.

    More Marijuana Myths:

    Marijuana Has No Medicinal Value
    Marijuana Is a Gateway Drug
    Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically
    Marijuana Causes an Amotivational Syndrome
    Marijuana Policy in the Netherlands is a Failure
    Marijuana Kills Brain Cells
    Marijuana Impairs Memory and Cognition
    Marijuana Causes Crime
    Marijuana Interferes With Male and Female Sex Hormones
    Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus
    Marijuana Use Impairs the Immune System
    Marijuana's Active Ingredient, THC, Gets Trapped in Body Fat
    Marijuana Use is a Major Cause Of Highway Accidents
    Marijuana Related Hospital Emergencies Are Increasing, Particularly Among Youth
    Marijuana Use Can Be Prevented
     
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    it doesnt.
     
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    Not directly, but it can when people are stupid enough to smoke out of aluminum foil. :biglaugh:

    In the documentary The Union, they talk about how cocaine, cigarettes, and even coffee are more addictive than marijuana.

    By the way, The Union is a very good documentary on the myths and history behind marijuana. Check it out when you have the chance, the full version is on Video Google.

    Worst of the lot. There are more kids in rehab for "marijuana abuse" than all drug related abusers combined.Want to know the main reason? If the judge says to you, "Six months of probation with rehab or spend some time in jail," Which would you take?
    I remember when I was younger I attended one of the D.A.R.E. assemblies (anti-drug program) and the speaker told us that one joint is as damaging as a whole pack of cigarettes.

    Denny, marijuana most certainly doesn't cause lung cancer... Or any sort of cancer. The only damage way you're damaging your lungs when you smoke is by the normal properties of smoke. It has nothing to do with the plant itself.

    There was an infamous experiment that was released by the government in the 80s (I believe) that tested the effects of marijuana on monkeys. They discovered that marijuana kills braincells. Of course, they published this and now most of the people in the world believe that marijuana can literally destroy your brain.

    Well, this is how they conducted their experiment... They would strap a breathing apparatus on the monkey's face and pump it with weed with any oxygen going into their lungs. They pumped something around a pound within ten minutes. What happens when the human brain doesn't get enough oxygen? Braincells die. Funny that. :crazy:

    Yes, if you're lazy to begin with.

    Which is why it's still around...?
    Do you ever hear anyone smoking weed, going home and beating their wife? No. What about with drinking? :cheers:
    This is definitely true. I've had some of the best sex when I was stoned.
    LOL!

    Over-eating?
     
  19. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    I would say the guys who crash airplanes or cars or trains while stoned suggest they were stupid at the time.

    And yes, it does cause cancer exactly because you smoke it. Most people don't smoke anywhere near as much as they do tobacco so it's assumed to be less harmful.

    I tend to take WebMD to be a serious source for medical information.

    http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20090623/marijuana-smoke-linked-to-cancer

    Marijuana Smoke Linked to Cancer
    Scientists Say Marijuana Smoke Damages DNA

    By Kelli Miller Stacy
    WebMD Health News Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

    June 23, 2009 -- Smoking pot causes cell damage that could make a person more likely to develop cancer, researchers report.

    Scientists at the University of Leicester have discovered that marijuana (cannabis) smoke alters DNA, the genetic material located in cells of the human body. Some forms of DNA damage can lead to cancer.

    Many studies have shown that tobacco smoke damages DNA in a way that boosts risk for lung and other cancers, but until now, it's been unclear whether cannabis smoke could do the same. Of particular concern is a cancer-causing chemical called acetaldehyde, which is found in both tobacco and marijuana smoke. Using new chemistry techniques, study researchers showed that the chemical, when present in marijuana smoke, caused DNA damage in a laboratory setting.

    The discovery suggests that marijuana smoke may be as harmful, or perhaps even more toxic, than tobacco smoke. In fact, study researchers say that smoking three to four marijuana cigarettes a day causes as much airway damage as smoking 20 or more cigarettes a day.

    "These results provide evidence for the DNA-damaging potential of cannabis smoke," the researchers write, "implying that the consumption of cannabis cigarettes may be detrimental to human health with the possibility to initiate cancer development."

    The findings appear in this month's issue of Chemical Research in Toxicology.
     
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    Wow, could that passage be any more detailed?
     

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