that is much different. If they traded Rudy Gay, then ok, but Pau didn't want to be there and they weren't goin' anywhere with him and tehy wanted to save money. Harris is the best piece on their team for teh future, and they better keep him and go from there if they want a shot at LeBron. We would def. have to give up Raef, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, 1st, etc... for them to start considering it. Harris is special man. But Carter is different. I wouldn't want him, but I can def. see them trading him. But why would we want Carter? We have our SF taken care of for a looong time, and all we really need to do is actually clear up more time for Batum. We don't need someone who needs shots because there is only one ball to go around, and we have enough scorers on each unit, and Oden hasn't even tapped into his off. potential, where he will start gettin' position and demanding the ball down low. I really couldn't imagine a better SF for this team right now than Batum from anyone in the NBA, as his age is perfect as he develops with our team, and his contract, and he obviously wants to be here.
Devin Harris, I'd take for sure. Vince Carter... no way, unless we were getting Vince circa 2000. Sorry, I'd rather see Roy and the gang take the shots rather than see Vince jack up 20-plus shots a game to get 20 points, while playing no defense.
Not even remotely. Just that package for Harris would be a huge rip-off in Portland's favour. Very homer-ish reasoning. Devin Harris has been a star this year and is still improving, and Carter is still a star and justifying his salary. Bayless could end up better than Harris...it's just incredibly unlikely. Blake is a mediocre player, the likes of which is always available and is easily replaceable. Outlaw is a good but not great player. None of this adds up to even one star, let alone two (one of them young prime and rising). I'm afraid not. Carter is still producing extremely well and is worth his contract.
Maybe I should make the caveat that I'm talking about the premise that I don't think we can pry Harris from Thorn. But that's PLENTY for Carter, should KP want to make that trade (I wouldn't).
I'd give Carter 17 million this year, and not look back. He's been scoring, defending well, leading, and creating. He's been clutch, and he hasn't been settling.
Again, not talking about Harris, so if you were, then I wasn't responding to that. Bayless needs to get more than 2mpg before I start thinking about what player he may be better than.
So WarPoet, in your opinion, VC is worth the cap space KP has been saving 2 years for? 15-18M over the next 3+ years? He's the missing piece?
Carter, without giving up too much (Rudy, Roy, Oden, LMA and still aboard), would propel you into championship contention. It's 2 years. You have a team option.
So if I'm hearing right... for Vince Carter (it's not a "team option", it's "not fully guaranteed". 4M buyout if he's waived before July 2011) and his guaranteed 52M (not that I care about the cash, but it absolutely removes any chance of a FA upgrade or S&T). And you think it puts us in championship contention? And that it's a steal for us, since those "wouldn't be enough for one of them, much less two"?
Vince has never taken anyone to championship contention and he is not going to start now. He is what he is - a great productive offensive weapon that has a pretty decent all-around game - but sooner or later he is going to pout over something, get a hang-nail that will take him out of the line-up for extended minutes and revert to disinterest. On a team like the Spurs as a replacement for Finley next to a great player like Duncan, with Parker and Manu ensuring that his minutes are limited to keep him grounded and interested - yes, he can be the championship difference. On a young team like Portland that already has 2 very good small-guards and needs to learn how to win playoffs games - he is not the missing ingredient.
C'mon fellow Blazers fans, some of these trade proposals are just flat out recockulous. Pick it up or we run the risk of looking like some kind of Jazz fan or something.
#1- These trades are some of the worst i've ever seen #2- "I'm going to go trade DeAndre Jordan for Dwight Howard now, since you know, he's on that second round contract and might become better than Dwight." That shit is funny #3- "Devin Harris, I'd take for sure. Vince Carter... no way, unless we were getting Vince circa 2000. Sorry, I'd rather see Roy and the gang take the shots rather than see Vince jack up 20-plus shots a game to get 20 points, while playing no defense." That's just plain wrong. Vince ranks 8th in the league in scoring. Out of the top 12 scoring leaders in the NBA, VC ranks dead LAST in shots attempted per game, excluding his buddy Devin Harris. Yeah that is DEAD.......LAST in shots attempted per game.
Fair enough. I still stand by my suggestion that the only place where Vince Carter is the difference between playoffs and championship is with a veteran team that lacks offensive punch and athletic ability - like SAS - and not like Portland.
I predict we're 32-21. There will be many more dumb trade proposals. There will be many more prediction threads. If a trade does happen it will involve Travis & Raef. edit - And I also predict DaRizzle will, for reasons known only to him, continue to feel the need to update the Blazer board on Bynum...
lol Some of you guys are delusional. Luckily, the some of you aren't and you're talking some sense into those who are. Vince Carter is playing good defense this year, has missed very few games in the past few years and is playing EFFICIENT all-star basketball. Devin Harris is going to remain a Net until his contract runs out. To say that the Nets would trade him for cap space kinda defeats the purpose since his contract is one of the biggest bargains in the league. Jerryd Bayless would be extremely lucky to become better than Devin Harris. I don't blame you, you don't watch the Nets, but don't go talking about stuff you don't know about.
