Prospect update. Is a star being born in our system?

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  1. Ranger71

    Ranger71 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't want to get rid of Nash, and you couldn't have if his symptoms were recurring. It was just a matter of him getting healthy in the offseason.
     
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    The Brassard deal was a dumb bet as he had never done anything in his career to merit that type of deal. Just because it's paid off in the first 30gms of this year doesn't mean it was not a dumb bet at the time. It's nice that he's playing out of his ass and he may or may not keep it up, but there was nothing in his body of work that should have merited that type of contract nor make you think that he'd be having this type of year.

    As for Stepan, $6M+ a year for him is steep but if Brassard can get $5M then Stepan is certainly going to get $6M...Just thinking that Stepan will make more than better players like Seguin, Pavelski, Couture and Tavares is a bit hard to wrap your heard around, even if their situations are/were not 100% the same.
     
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    You don't just pay for what someone has done, you also pay for potential. We have seen it 100 times over in sports. The Rangers bet on Brassard becoming a very good player, and through 30 games he has been. 100% for sure he has to continue his strong play with only a little tailoff to justify his contract, but I fully expect he will, and I liked his contract the second he signed it, and obviously love it today. I think it will be a steal over the next few seasons.

    As for Stepan, regardless he was getting a deal around 6 mill IF he re-signed long term. His cap hit is over 3 mill now. Timing is everything. If those guys were FA's this summer they would get more. How it works.

    With that said, no doubt that both Stepan and Brassard need to continue to prove it over a full season, and then playoffs, and then another season...NO DOUBT...but this is how sports work. Deals go up. Cap hits go up. Is what it is.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    Remember Stepan is an RFA this summer, so he might not get 6 mill if he re-signs shorter. At the end of the day I am thinking somewhere in the upper mid to upper 5's on a 4 or 5 year deal is where he ends up if they go long term.

    We'll see.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    You don't pay on potential for a guy that was in the league for 6 years and was a 40 point guy. You would pay on potential for a player in the league 2 years that who was a 40 point guy.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    Whether you like it or not, it happens all the time in sports. Just reality. I am not saying I agree with it 100%, but it happens all the time guys. Either we do it or someone else will and has. And so far it has looked really good in the case of Brassard (LONG way to go though no doubt).
     
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    The cap hit is a little high for what he has produced in his career, buttt...do we forget the team he played with before becoming a ranger? As a number two center man the salary isnt horrible, especially since the rangers do not have depth there to begin with
     

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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    That being said, I liked Brassard. I think he got paid more on his two playoff performances than any thing else. I think those pointed to better things.

    Sadly, the same can't be said for Kreider or Hagelin.
     
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    I think Brassard is much more skilled than Stepan.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like he could be a solid late round find. Overall the system is weak on dmen outside of Skjei.
     
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    Have a feeling Graves will be having one of more special seasons from now to the end of the year from any of our prospects. He keeps raising his game every season.
     
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    What about McIlrath?
     
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    I thought McIlrath basically wrote AV off after the entire defense was hurt and he was called up for 1 freakin game. I think Dylan probably has asked his agent to quietly ask the Rangers to move him. When the Rangers asked about Hall, I'm pretty sure that one of the players in that deal was McIlrath.
     
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    Other than Graves, Buchnevich, Duclair, Walcott and the 2 goalies we drafted, it's been a quiet year for prospects. 2009 to 2012 were quite poor draft wise. 2009, 2011 and 2012 drafts are basically living off their 1st round selection. 2010 would be a total bust if not for Fast.

    Seems like the last 2 years with no first round pick the Rangers scouts worked a lot harder. Those drafts are better than the drafts from 2009 to 2012 when they had a first round pick.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    "I say we get rid of Stepan and Brass. Keep Nash (wait should we keep him now guys or get rid of him since everyone wanted him gone last season?) and get rid of everyone else also. Oh boy...some fans impossible to please."

    Please Chuck you ass kisser. You were ragging on Nash more than anybody last year in the playoffs. When the team is hot, you kiss the ass of every player. When they aren't, you bitch just as much as anybody. Only, you deny it later. Give it a rest already.
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    Our prospects in college freaking suck. Nieves looks like a complete waste as a draft pick. As does Fogarty. Even Skjei hasn't developed any offense. m
    Duclair was a nice 1 A, -4 game last night. Guess he wasn't looking forward to playing juniors after being in the NHL and WJC's.
     
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    chuckd3534 Well-Known Member

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    Swing and a miss again dump...LOL. Rough year for you fella.

    100% I was down on Nash, who wouldn't be he was awful in the playoffs two straight years for us. But I haven't bitched about the team all season. You are way off on that one. Slow start, AS USUAL, you were jumping off of every building you could find and saying we suck, this player sucks, that player sucks. I didn't do any of that. I know that is what this team does every year. And off a SCF run I am not going to rip into the team 10 or 15 or 20 games in. I will leave that to you Mr. Sunshine...:).
     
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    kreidertime Well-Known Member

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    The only one swinging and missing Chuck is you because you consistently lie. Every Rangers fan was down on Nash after the playoffs and rightly so. He sucked. As usual, you fail to acknowledge the flaws of this team and that the playoffs are totally different season that requires a totally different team. For starters, you have to win faceoffs. Lost draws killed the team at times last year in the playoffs. Two, the hitting in the regular season is basically non existent compared to the playoffs. If you pulled your head out of your butt and remembered that, you might be concerned about how small this team is.
     

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